The truck isn't to my taste, but absent any indication that this was due to something unique to this automobile I don't see why it's news anymore than people tragically dying in a Camry running into a tree at 3:00 am after a party.
There's nothing in the brief article to indicate any Cybertruck specific issues .. external bystanders were able to pull a survivor from the vehicle (eg: doors sprung open or were able to be opened), speed seems to be the probable cause, etc.
The only unique to Tesla possibility here (unconfirmed) would be "late night drunks relying on self driving" .. but that remains to be reported.
> would be "late night drunks relying on self driving" .. but that remains to be reported.
Alcohol and speed are the cause of _most_ fatalities on our roads. It's a pretty good bet.
I'm personally waiting for the story wherein a police officer finds an unattended child in one of these vehicles because the parents couldn't be bothered to bring their child somewhere. Much more likely to happen once these systems become more affordable.
Absolutely alcohol and speed kill across the board for all vehicles .. the point here is this isn't specific to a Cybertruck (or self driving vehicle in general) unless it's also drunks putting their faith in FSD and not paying attention and being ready to take over.
No. I read the text and had no access to pictures.
Assuming the text reporting to be correct, then perhaps they had a can opener and pulled them out through the roof, maybe they broke a window, perhaps the entire car split open.
It's possible the rescuer had a crowbar in their car, there are crowbars in all our vehicles.
My only nitpick with EVs is that they are just too powerful. Acceleration limits + speed limits are obviously required, esp. for heavy vehicles like trucks.
In some sense Tesla already makes most boring vehicles, but IMO driving should be made even more boring. Expressing your personality via your car of choice while killing innocent people is brutal barbarism.
Probably something like requiring an advanced license, like heavy truck drivers require, to operate vehicles that cross certain mass and speed thresholds would be reasonable.
I like a fast car and I've done a little track time, etc. It's not the same as controlling a Camry and recognizing that would be reasonable.
If you had any regular 3/4 or 1-ton truck, which is what you are getting or better for the price of a cybertruck, everyone wearing a seatbelt survives such an accident.
100% of the time.
Serious question - do cybertruck doors work after a crash ?
"Cybertruck’s occupants had been driving back from a 'function' around 3:10 a.m. Wednesday" and "it was unlikely that the Cybertruck’s large lithium-ion battery had caught fire."
Yeah that 2nd part is kinda interesting. I mean, yes absolutely if the FD had no issues putting the fire out then clearly the battery pack hadn't caught fire but given the obvious lack of flammable liquids involved one is left wondering how the vehicle managed to catch fire in the first place.
Car hits something hard, deforms the bodywork, compromised wiring which causes electrical shorts which create heat, which then causes a fire.
The battery pack doesn't need to be compromised to allow this, and even a fault in the LV system will do it. Electrical fires take out ICE vehicles every day.
Most ICE vehicle fires are caused by electrical faults or oil leaks. Oil leaking onto a hot exhaust obviously isn't a factor in an EV, but nothing has really changed with respect to the electrical threat. On modern vehicles, fuel doesn't usually become a factor until the vehicle is well alight.
> one is left wondering how the vehicle managed to catch fire in the first place.
Any heavy vehicle with _friction_ brakes can generate enough heat to create fire, it turns out spinning metal is always a stored energy hazard regardless of how the motive power was originally supplied.
Plus upholstery is pretty flammable. They lace it with chemicals to try to retard that tendency but after a certain point they're going to light up and fuel the fire.
I'm sorry do what now? You couldn't start a vehicle fire on a bet if you soaked the wheel wells in brake fluid and held the brake pedal to the floor from that vehicle's top speed. You want to start a car fire with brakes that takes the kind of abuse only seen under track conditions combined with a fuel leak, oil leak, or both. So nah, why tf did this vehicle catch fire?
You assume everything is in good working order. Perhaps it was. Is this the type of vehicle that is designed for offroad abuse? Is this the type of owner that would do that anyways? Was there a secondary malfunction or perhaps something caught in the area before or after the accident that contributed to the cause?
Brakes get hot. Hot enough to burn you pretty good even on a car that hasn't been to the track and maybe even hot enough to light organic debris that comes in contact with it on fire. Which is probably pretty difficult normally but might be a lot easier if you bash a bunch of that structure to bits in a high speed accident.
There's a bunch of other reports and posts, it's big news here in Oakland.
It sounds like one of the doors got popped open but the other victims were partially incapacitated or unable to find the release. Judging by the speed of impact, and shape of the body/chassis, it's likely they were alive after impact and burned to death.
Yea, it's a real surprise that a new and unique product with seemingly little regulatory oversight causing death is going to cause people to report on it!
"Other recalls covered rearview camera images that don’t activate immediately after shifting into reverse, trim pieces that can fall off, windshield wipers that can fail, and an incorrect font size on instrument panel warning lights. In April, the futuristic trucks were recalled to fix gas pedals that can get stuck in the interior trim."
I'm just imagining what SNL would look like if Ford fucked in that badly in that short a period of time, especially when you take into consideration other reported issues around trapped passengers in other vehicle models from the same manufacturer.
there were two write offs of the cyber trucks in mexico earlier this month.. no fatalities at all... and given the photo's of the vehicles thats just fricken amazing.
The truck isn't to my taste, but absent any indication that this was due to something unique to this automobile I don't see why it's news anymore than people tragically dying in a Camry running into a tree at 3:00 am after a party.
There's nothing in the brief article to indicate any Cybertruck specific issues .. external bystanders were able to pull a survivor from the vehicle (eg: doors sprung open or were able to be opened), speed seems to be the probable cause, etc.
The only unique to Tesla possibility here (unconfirmed) would be "late night drunks relying on self driving" .. but that remains to be reported.
> would be "late night drunks relying on self driving" .. but that remains to be reported.
Alcohol and speed are the cause of _most_ fatalities on our roads. It's a pretty good bet.
I'm personally waiting for the story wherein a police officer finds an unattended child in one of these vehicles because the parents couldn't be bothered to bring their child somewhere. Much more likely to happen once these systems become more affordable.
Absolutely alcohol and speed kill across the board for all vehicles .. the point here is this isn't specific to a Cybertruck (or self driving vehicle in general) unless it's also drunks putting their faith in FSD and not paying attention and being ready to take over.
Have you seen a picture with the doors opened
No. I read the text and had no access to pictures.
Assuming the text reporting to be correct, then perhaps they had a can opener and pulled them out through the roof, maybe they broke a window, perhaps the entire car split open.
It's possible the rescuer had a crowbar in their car, there are crowbars in all our vehicles.
Many vehicles have mechanical door latches
Yes.
The cybertruck (thankfully) doesn't have full self driving.
EDIT: I'm wrong, it launched without it, but it's since been rolled out.
I have a cybertruck. FSD rolled out weeks ago.
Oh, that's good to know. I knew it launched without it and didn't think it'd be updated so fast.
My only nitpick with EVs is that they are just too powerful. Acceleration limits + speed limits are obviously required, esp. for heavy vehicles like trucks.
In some sense Tesla already makes most boring vehicles, but IMO driving should be made even more boring. Expressing your personality via your car of choice while killing innocent people is brutal barbarism.
Probably something like requiring an advanced license, like heavy truck drivers require, to operate vehicles that cross certain mass and speed thresholds would be reasonable.
I like a fast car and I've done a little track time, etc. It's not the same as controlling a Camry and recognizing that would be reasonable.
Bottom line here for anyone who isn't from Texas
If you had any regular 3/4 or 1-ton truck, which is what you are getting or better for the price of a cybertruck, everyone wearing a seatbelt survives such an accident.
100% of the time.
Serious question - do cybertruck doors work after a crash ?
"Cybertruck’s occupants had been driving back from a 'function' around 3:10 a.m. Wednesday" and "it was unlikely that the Cybertruck’s large lithium-ion battery had caught fire."
I would imagine that if the lithium-ion battery caught fire, it would be apparent.
Yeah that 2nd part is kinda interesting. I mean, yes absolutely if the FD had no issues putting the fire out then clearly the battery pack hadn't caught fire but given the obvious lack of flammable liquids involved one is left wondering how the vehicle managed to catch fire in the first place.
Car hits something hard, deforms the bodywork, compromised wiring which causes electrical shorts which create heat, which then causes a fire.
The battery pack doesn't need to be compromised to allow this, and even a fault in the LV system will do it. Electrical fires take out ICE vehicles every day.
Most ICE vehicle fires are caused by electrical faults or oil leaks. Oil leaking onto a hot exhaust obviously isn't a factor in an EV, but nothing has really changed with respect to the electrical threat. On modern vehicles, fuel doesn't usually become a factor until the vehicle is well alight.
> one is left wondering how the vehicle managed to catch fire in the first place.
Any heavy vehicle with _friction_ brakes can generate enough heat to create fire, it turns out spinning metal is always a stored energy hazard regardless of how the motive power was originally supplied.
Plus upholstery is pretty flammable. They lace it with chemicals to try to retard that tendency but after a certain point they're going to light up and fuel the fire.
I'm sorry do what now? You couldn't start a vehicle fire on a bet if you soaked the wheel wells in brake fluid and held the brake pedal to the floor from that vehicle's top speed. You want to start a car fire with brakes that takes the kind of abuse only seen under track conditions combined with a fuel leak, oil leak, or both. So nah, why tf did this vehicle catch fire?
You assume everything is in good working order. Perhaps it was. Is this the type of vehicle that is designed for offroad abuse? Is this the type of owner that would do that anyways? Was there a secondary malfunction or perhaps something caught in the area before or after the accident that contributed to the cause?
Brakes get hot. Hot enough to burn you pretty good even on a car that hasn't been to the track and maybe even hot enough to light organic debris that comes in contact with it on fire. Which is probably pretty difficult normally but might be a lot easier if you bash a bunch of that structure to bits in a high speed accident.
Real mystery though.
Early reports suggest that they were trapped in the vehicle. Horrifying and sad if true.
This AP report states:
indicates they were likely not trapped .. unless an external person was able to open doors that an internal person was unable to because { reasons? }.There's a bunch of other reports and posts, it's big news here in Oakland.
It sounds like one of the doors got popped open but the other victims were partially incapacitated or unable to find the release. Judging by the speed of impact, and shape of the body/chassis, it's likely they were alive after impact and burned to death.
If there’s anything uniquely attributable to Tesla/Cybertruck I’m sure it will be breathlessly reported on soon.
Yea, it's a real surprise that a new and unique product with seemingly little regulatory oversight causing death is going to cause people to report on it!
Tesla's consistently subpar emergency door release situation is definitely worth reporting on, tbh.
Seems like they buried the lede pretty hard here:
"Other recalls covered rearview camera images that don’t activate immediately after shifting into reverse, trim pieces that can fall off, windshield wipers that can fail, and an incorrect font size on instrument panel warning lights. In April, the futuristic trucks were recalled to fix gas pedals that can get stuck in the interior trim."
I'm just imagining what SNL would look like if Ford fucked in that badly in that short a period of time, especially when you take into consideration other reported issues around trapped passengers in other vehicle models from the same manufacturer.
there were two write offs of the cyber trucks in mexico earlier this month.. no fatalities at all... and given the photo's of the vehicles thats just fricken amazing.
https://electrek.co/2024/11/04/two-tesla-cybertrucks-were-de...