Dear Moderators
Please could you reconsider the designation of this post as being flagged? I will happily trust your judgement and conclusions. Live feeds from this region are very rare. This insight is not covered on most outlets. It is a subject seemingly of interest to this forum as illustrated by the engagement and upvotes; greater than most of my posts. Thank you so much.
What can we do, in addition to what we're already doing? For example, in Norway, the recently elected leading coalition is (mostly) very vocal about ending the genocide. And the sovereign oil fund just divested out of quite a lot of the genocide-profiteers (including Caterpillar, who sell displacement-as-a-service, leading to threats of more tariffs from the US). And there are flotillas of activists trying again and again to sail with aid towards the Gaza strip, getting themselves attacked by drones (even in Tunisian waters, long before reaching Gaza). We donate to savethechildren etc. but most of the aid isn't even allowed in. This is not a case of "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas". The enemies of humanity, decency and righteousness are just so overwhelmingly strong.
This video feed feels like I'm watching some Adam Curtis b-roll live. Currently the camera, based in Israel, is panning across the land to catch explosions as the plumes of smoke rise, with people talking, music from the radio, or occassional car doors closing in the background.
It is not safe to flee south of Gaza, there is no infrastructure there to support millions of refugees! Refugees should go to Israel, it is much better equip to host refugees from this conflict!
Please keep your bigotry out of HN. Palestinian refugees in Gaza must be allowed to return to their homelands inside occupied Palestine and Gazans obviously should be allowed to stay in Gaza.
When forced displacement is paired with food/starvation as a weapon it becomes a genocide. The recent senate report just carefully labels it as a deliberate ethnic cleansing.
You're actually actively trying to diminish. I'm going to be nice to you and pretend it's because you don't know the definition of genocide and that it isn't linked to the number of dead people
I say this because I do care about you and your continued existence.
When the October attack happened, much of the west outpoured grief and empathy for Israel.
I knew then what was coming, because I have seen it before, just over two decades ago: that attack hurt Israel more, proportionally, than 9/11 hurt the USA. You, personally, are burning with pain and anger today, it is natural and human if you don't even want to hear a single word that would humanise the Other.
And yet, you are wrong: this is not, and never was, an existential threat to Israel, and that's why Europe is doing things to hold Israel back in Palestine while still supporting Israel against Iran.
To be human is to strike out in anger and vengeance and also look back in shame a generation later when your kids show you today's newspapers and say "you knew". I know why it feels existential, history is replete with examples, but Israel is simply much stronger than Hamas ever was, even with the external support that Hamas gets that in turn makes it entirely justifiable for Israel to totally blockade Palestine (or would, if enough food was getting through).
It took the USA more than a decade to get out of their own way with 9/11, it would be unreasonable to see Israel's national psyche do so any faster.
Just as with the Taliban in the USA, all of Hamas are to the nation of Israel as a few angry wasps are to a picnic: when they sting, they hurt, and you may come up in welts, but it would take hundreds or thousands of them to meaningfully injure their target.
Europe doesn't want Israel to become the same monsters that killed so many millions just on the edge of living memory. Well, most of us don't, at least; it was a sad and slow realisation that plenty of people who give no shits about the Palestinians will still cry crocodile tears for them if it means hurting Israel.
Unfortunately for Israel, some of the latter group are gaining power in the USA, and if the USA becomes Israel's last ally… well, that has potential to become genuinely existential.
Tell my friend whose both parents were murdered in Nir Oz that Hamas isn't an existential threat. Hamas is an existential threat. We cannot live in peace while it exists. We're done tolerating Palestinian aggression. Hamas wasn't an existential threat when it was just rockets, but once they've crossed the border and assaulted our cities where we live they became an existential threat we cannot allow, even if the world screams genocide as we destroy them.
We're not here to win the victimhood competition. This isn't 9/11 where the U.S living peacefully wasn't threatened. If we don't eradicate this threat our cities will be assaulted again.
We're here to live in peace, and if that means eradicating hamas while there are heavy Palestinian casualties, so be it. That's the only option for us to live in peace. This is an existential war for Israel. There are relatively few casualties compared with what would've happened if Israel actually decided to genocide the Palestinians. We could've killed them all if we wanted, but we only fight Hamas as we must do. Eradicating Hamas is a daunting task. We're actually fighting selectively at the cost of our soldiers lives. If the intention was genocide the Palestinians would've been dead by now. The intention is to destroy Hamas at minimum causalities.
i think you're just spewing what you heard on the media and don't really have friends in nir oz. in fact don't think you have many friends. if you really had friends in nir oz, i apologize for the wrong assumption and in sorry for the loss. but then you would know exactly why hamas exist as it is territory taken in 48.
The UN is just a glorified board room for countries to discuss things, it has no executive powers over its permanent security council members and their allies.
Basically, the UN can declare whatever they want, but there's nothing stopping the likes of US and Russia to ignore it and do the opposite of that.
It's the League of Nations all over again. Nothing has been learned.
What is crazy is that, even a denouncement, is coming way too late. Now some countries are, very slowly, starting to talk about what this is: a genocide. It's horrible that it's so slow, and there is so much support or inaction towards the state of Israel.
Isn't that too slow for live feed? The live feed looks very good quality, and they look like they are sitting in a truck now, so I doubt they can cary starlink antenna
It's bandwidth versus latency. Two different aspects. A live feed going one way works fine over a high('ish) bandwidth link as long as there's no need for interactive (back-and-forth) traffic. See it as a highway. The highway can be very wide with lots of lanes (=bandwidth) but to get from point A to B can cover a large distance (latency)
Dear Moderators Please could you reconsider the designation of this post as being flagged? I will happily trust your judgement and conclusions. Live feeds from this region are very rare. This insight is not covered on most outlets. It is a subject seemingly of interest to this forum as illustrated by the engagement and upvotes; greater than most of my posts. Thank you so much.
We will look back at this moment in our history and wonder how we let it happen.
What can we do, in addition to what we're already doing? For example, in Norway, the recently elected leading coalition is (mostly) very vocal about ending the genocide. And the sovereign oil fund just divested out of quite a lot of the genocide-profiteers (including Caterpillar, who sell displacement-as-a-service, leading to threats of more tariffs from the US). And there are flotillas of activists trying again and again to sail with aid towards the Gaza strip, getting themselves attacked by drones (even in Tunisian waters, long before reaching Gaza). We donate to savethechildren etc. but most of the aid isn't even allowed in. This is not a case of "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas". The enemies of humanity, decency and righteousness are just so overwhelmingly strong.
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This video feed feels like I'm watching some Adam Curtis b-roll live. Currently the camera, based in Israel, is panning across the land to catch explosions as the plumes of smoke rise, with people talking, music from the radio, or occassional car doors closing in the background.
Also, this got flagged. Weird.
Can’t let reality ruin the mood.
US's & Germany's greatest ally.
Current US president wants to build golf resorts with golden statues of himself!
If anything, US citizens who emigrated to Israel, have great share of responsibility!
>If anything, US citizens who emigrated to Israel, have great share of responsibility!
What about AIPAC members? Which is about 80% of congress.
It is not safe to flee south of Gaza, there is no infrastructure there to support millions of refugees! Refugees should go to Israel, it is much better equip to host refugees from this conflict!
NO BORDERS!!
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Please keep your bigotry out of HN. Palestinian refugees in Gaza must be allowed to return to their homelands inside occupied Palestine and Gazans obviously should be allowed to stay in Gaza.
Forced Displacement.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_displacement
When forced displacement is paired with food/starvation as a weapon it becomes a genocide. The recent senate report just carefully labels it as a deliberate ethnic cleansing.
https://www.vanhollen.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/van_hollen_me...
Also a UN commission of inquiry.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/16/israel-committ...
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Genocide live stream. What a time to be alive.
This is a GENOCIDE
There is no other word
Not to diminish, but there would be more Armenians, jews, Cambodians, Tutsi, koulaks if all genocides were like this.
You're actually actively trying to diminish. I'm going to be nice to you and pretend it's because you don't know the definition of genocide and that it isn't linked to the number of dead people
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I say this because I do care about you and your continued existence.
When the October attack happened, much of the west outpoured grief and empathy for Israel.
I knew then what was coming, because I have seen it before, just over two decades ago: that attack hurt Israel more, proportionally, than 9/11 hurt the USA. You, personally, are burning with pain and anger today, it is natural and human if you don't even want to hear a single word that would humanise the Other.
And yet, you are wrong: this is not, and never was, an existential threat to Israel, and that's why Europe is doing things to hold Israel back in Palestine while still supporting Israel against Iran.
To be human is to strike out in anger and vengeance and also look back in shame a generation later when your kids show you today's newspapers and say "you knew". I know why it feels existential, history is replete with examples, but Israel is simply much stronger than Hamas ever was, even with the external support that Hamas gets that in turn makes it entirely justifiable for Israel to totally blockade Palestine (or would, if enough food was getting through).
It took the USA more than a decade to get out of their own way with 9/11, it would be unreasonable to see Israel's national psyche do so any faster.
Just as with the Taliban in the USA, all of Hamas are to the nation of Israel as a few angry wasps are to a picnic: when they sting, they hurt, and you may come up in welts, but it would take hundreds or thousands of them to meaningfully injure their target.
Europe doesn't want Israel to become the same monsters that killed so many millions just on the edge of living memory. Well, most of us don't, at least; it was a sad and slow realisation that plenty of people who give no shits about the Palestinians will still cry crocodile tears for them if it means hurting Israel.
Unfortunately for Israel, some of the latter group are gaining power in the USA, and if the USA becomes Israel's last ally… well, that has potential to become genuinely existential.
Tell my friend whose both parents were murdered in Nir Oz that Hamas isn't an existential threat. Hamas is an existential threat. We cannot live in peace while it exists. We're done tolerating Palestinian aggression. Hamas wasn't an existential threat when it was just rockets, but once they've crossed the border and assaulted our cities where we live they became an existential threat we cannot allow, even if the world screams genocide as we destroy them.
We're not here to win the victimhood competition. This isn't 9/11 where the U.S living peacefully wasn't threatened. If we don't eradicate this threat our cities will be assaulted again.
We're here to live in peace, and if that means eradicating hamas while there are heavy Palestinian casualties, so be it. That's the only option for us to live in peace. This is an existential war for Israel. There are relatively few casualties compared with what would've happened if Israel actually decided to genocide the Palestinians. We could've killed them all if we wanted, but we only fight Hamas as we must do. Eradicating Hamas is a daunting task. We're actually fighting selectively at the cost of our soldiers lives. If the intention was genocide the Palestinians would've been dead by now. The intention is to destroy Hamas at minimum causalities.
> If the intention was genocide the Palestinians would've been dead by now. The intention is to destroy Hamas at minimum causalities.
It is a genocide, no matter how much rhetoric you spew. Actions speak more than words.
i think you're just spewing what you heard on the media and don't really have friends in nir oz. in fact don't think you have many friends. if you really had friends in nir oz, i apologize for the wrong assumption and in sorry for the loss. but then you would know exactly why hamas exist as it is territory taken in 48.
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Israel really doesn't like being exposed like this.
They'll claim it's a Hamas camera, then bomb it, probably killing some of the people nearby it.
The camera is filming from within Israel.
There's another camera in Wadi Gaza showing people fleeing northern Gaza toward the south. From about 1h26m onwards.
It is officially declared a genocide by the UN commission.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8641wv0n4go
The UN is just a glorified board room for countries to discuss things, it has no executive powers over its permanent security council members and their allies.
Basically, the UN can declare whatever they want, but there's nothing stopping the likes of US and Russia to ignore it and do the opposite of that.
It's the League of Nations all over again. Nothing has been learned.
It also spent the last few years making the problems out there worse. They are themselves complicit in this outcome.
There are no winners in this conflict on either side.
>There are no winners in this conflict on either side.
There is ONE winner here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel
I think we all know this, it's very obvious.
What is crazy is that, even a denouncement, is coming way too late. Now some countries are, very slowly, starting to talk about what this is: a genocide. It's horrible that it's so slow, and there is so much support or inaction towards the state of Israel.
Still, IT IS A GENOCIDE.
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Where do they got internet connectivity?
I know there is Paltel in West Bank; but I don't know if they are still operating in Gaza.
Starlink?
Isn't that too slow for live feed? The live feed looks very good quality, and they look like they are sitting in a truck now, so I doubt they can cary starlink antenna
It's bandwidth versus latency. Two different aspects. A live feed going one way works fine over a high('ish) bandwidth link as long as there's no need for interactive (back-and-forth) traffic. See it as a highway. The highway can be very wide with lots of lanes (=bandwidth) but to get from point A to B can cover a large distance (latency)
Jawwal who are owned by Paltel.