So doxxing people is just ok now? "The right" makes an app to dox people that criticize Charlie Kirk, "the left" makes a website to dox people that own a Tesla amid a wave of Tesla vandalism. [1]
I remember growing up on YouTube. Starting with the atheist-chrisitian debates that got engulfed into politics around 2016 and never went back. And doxxing someone or trying to get them fired for not agreeing with you was seen as the lowest of the low. On all sides.
You seem to have not understood that in politics, it was never about values.
It was about beliefs, that's why the right wing is winning, always, just from a game strategy viewpoint.
Trying to find a compromise is losing the game in the long term. That's why doxxing in public is so effective for the right wing, because it moves the needle of what is okay to say as a rhetoric, while lowering the chance of finding a compromise, too. The more hate it spreads, the better.
And the absolutists on the left side of the spectrum are just as radicalized by now as a copycat game strategy. The irony here is that if they would get voted into the Capitol, they would stalemate democracy just the same.
And that's the bug that Putin is exploiting with his propaganda machine, since 2011, the day he realized he must control the media when Gorbachev's daughter tried to start a coup and failed.
Also check out what happened to MTV in Russia, which had a comedy show about Putin. That's what's happening to Jimmy Kimmel right now (and probably John Oliver soon).
It's not doxxing when people publish things under their own names. Even so, doxxing is of course perfectly legal in the sense of uncovering the name of a debater. Not so in publishing the adress or other irrelevant information.
And I hope you understand that there is an enormous difference in person A purchasing a popular car and person B publicly celebrating a gruesome murder.
To me the important thing is the "nefarious" action that is "implied". For B it's firing (I understand that's what's been happening in this case) and for A it's vandalism (as that's what was happening at this time).
And getting fired for expressing a 1A-protected opinion outside of work hours, and getting your car destroyed for purchasing a legal product are pretty comparable.
If you are publishing things on the Internet under your own name and your own face, it is expected that the world should know. You were yourself the person who shouted it out to the world.
If you purchase a vehicle, it is not expected that the world should know. Purchasing a vehicle isn't public speech.
In none of the above cases should the person be physically mapped or stalked. Or be the victims of terrorist attacks.
I'm not on much social media. But my general takeaway is...yes? The cultural Overton window on this seems to have shifted at...some point over the last few years. It doesn't really strike me as repulsive anymore, which is interesting in itself.
> SAN reached out to a user listed in the leaked data and confirmed that they had in fact downloaded the app. The user, who asked to remain anonymous over fears of retribution, expressed concerns that Cancel the Hate might be a “scam” after receiving an influx of donation requests to their email.
Evil simply can't resist the temptation to devour itself.
The fact that anything that isn't fawning over the man is considered hate is what's scary. His assassination was instantly weaponized to foment even more hate against the Left.
There was leftist terrorism in the 70's (e.g., The Weather Underground), but nothing I'm aware of since.
They define Antifa as a terrorist group but it's just a collection of young men who want to get into brawls with extremists on the other side -- like some sort of Fight Club.
The President has declared his desire for his political opponents to be jailed -- and he's surrounded by enablers who are more than willing to do that. Worse yet, a significant chunk of the population is totally okay with that.
“ those who have criticized Kirk or are seen as celebrating his shooting”
Writing this way implies that those two are equivalent or even comparable. This is truly evil.
You can criticize anyone. I’ll die defending your right to do so, even if you criticize me as I do it. But, if you ever celebrate a death, anyone’s death, I don’t want you as my doctor, my kid’s teacher, my lawyer, not even flipping my burger. How could I trust you with my life if you clearly do not value life? I want you ostracized from polite society, because you have lost what made you human.
So doxxing people is just ok now? "The right" makes an app to dox people that criticize Charlie Kirk, "the left" makes a website to dox people that own a Tesla amid a wave of Tesla vandalism. [1]
I remember growing up on YouTube. Starting with the atheist-chrisitian debates that got engulfed into politics around 2016 and never went back. And doxxing someone or trying to get them fired for not agreeing with you was seen as the lowest of the low. On all sides.
Shame.
[1]: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/tesla-dogequest-websit...
You seem to have not understood that in politics, it was never about values.
It was about beliefs, that's why the right wing is winning, always, just from a game strategy viewpoint.
Trying to find a compromise is losing the game in the long term. That's why doxxing in public is so effective for the right wing, because it moves the needle of what is okay to say as a rhetoric, while lowering the chance of finding a compromise, too. The more hate it spreads, the better.
And the absolutists on the left side of the spectrum are just as radicalized by now as a copycat game strategy. The irony here is that if they would get voted into the Capitol, they would stalemate democracy just the same.
And that's the bug that Putin is exploiting with his propaganda machine, since 2011, the day he realized he must control the media when Gorbachev's daughter tried to start a coup and failed.
Also check out what happened to MTV in Russia, which had a comedy show about Putin. That's what's happening to Jimmy Kimmel right now (and probably John Oliver soon).
Doxxing is not ok. I don't give a crap what other people replying are saying about this being normal now, it's both disgusting and dangerous.
It's not doxxing when people publish things under their own names. Even so, doxxing is of course perfectly legal in the sense of uncovering the name of a debater. Not so in publishing the adress or other irrelevant information.
And I hope you understand that there is an enormous difference in person A purchasing a popular car and person B publicly celebrating a gruesome murder.
To me the important thing is the "nefarious" action that is "implied". For B it's firing (I understand that's what's been happening in this case) and for A it's vandalism (as that's what was happening at this time).
And getting fired for expressing a 1A-protected opinion outside of work hours, and getting your car destroyed for purchasing a legal product are pretty comparable.
In terms of whether it's "okay" to dox there isn't an "enormous" difference except in how you perceive the person being doxxed.
If you are publishing things on the Internet under your own name and your own face, it is expected that the world should know. You were yourself the person who shouted it out to the world.
If you purchase a vehicle, it is not expected that the world should know. Purchasing a vehicle isn't public speech.
In none of the above cases should the person be physically mapped or stalked. Or be the victims of terrorist attacks.
> doxxing people is just ok now?
I'm not on much social media. But my general takeaway is...yes? The cultural Overton window on this seems to have shifted at...some point over the last few years. It doesn't really strike me as repulsive anymore, which is interesting in itself.
I still find it repulsive.
This app is as gross as that one for anonymously discussing men - inevitably rife with abuse and negatively impacting innocents. Good riddance.
> SAN reached out to a user listed in the leaked data and confirmed that they had in fact downloaded the app. The user, who asked to remain anonymous over fears of retribution, expressed concerns that Cancel the Hate might be a “scam” after receiving an influx of donation requests to their email.
Evil simply can't resist the temptation to devour itself.
The fact that anything that isn't fawning over the man is considered hate is what's scary. His assassination was instantly weaponized to foment even more hate against the Left.
There was leftist terrorism in the 70's (e.g., The Weather Underground), but nothing I'm aware of since.
They define Antifa as a terrorist group but it's just a collection of young men who want to get into brawls with extremists on the other side -- like some sort of Fight Club.
The President has declared his desire for his political opponents to be jailed -- and he's surrounded by enablers who are more than willing to do that. Worse yet, a significant chunk of the population is totally okay with that.
“ those who have criticized Kirk or are seen as celebrating his shooting”
Writing this way implies that those two are equivalent or even comparable. This is truly evil.
You can criticize anyone. I’ll die defending your right to do so, even if you criticize me as I do it. But, if you ever celebrate a death, anyone’s death, I don’t want you as my doctor, my kid’s teacher, my lawyer, not even flipping my burger. How could I trust you with my life if you clearly do not value life? I want you ostracized from polite society, because you have lost what made you human.