If the future is electric then it's also going to be Chinese. There is much less difference between electric cars then ICE.
But it's nice to see that old fashioned small minded politics isn't dead yet;
>>Car buyers can claim subsidies of up to £3,750 on purchases of brands including Nissan, Peugeot and Vauxhall.
>>But the scheme excludes Chinese-made vehicles due to the emissions produced in their manufacture.
>>BYD has criticised the decision and said it would damage the UK's car market in the long-term.
It looks like the way they are going to save the car industry in Europe and stopping it falling entirely into the hands of the Chinese is with.... tarrifs! (they're also quietly trying to work out how to extricate themselves from their blind rush towards electric, at least i hope they are.)
China (and every other developed country for that matter) achieved its status by protecting their industries. And call it small-minded if you like, but when you're competing with someone taking full advantage of in-group preference (i.e. playing like a team), if you play solo, you will lose, miserably. Unite or die.
That's not true on the face of it. BYD overtook VW in chinese market only recently in 2024[1]. In fact what seem to enable chinese auto companies to become world leader was the fact that they were exposed to global competition from VW/Tesla/GM etc.
I think you were pointing out chinese strategy to force auto makers to make JV like SAIC Volkwagen[2].
While I'm not sure if that could work in west due to high cost of labour, regardless to me it seems the strategy behind these auto tariffs is to just shut chinese automakers out of the market at great harm to european consumer.
James K. Galbraith has stated that "free trade has attained the status of a god" and that " ... none of the world's most successful trading regions, including Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and now mainland China, reached their current status by adopting neoliberal trading rules." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage#Criticis...
As with most countries, China has adopted some policies aimed at protecting or promoting its domestic industries, including targeted quotas, subsidies to certain key industries and rejection of patents in critical industries. - https://www.rfa.org/english/news/afcl/fact-check-china-prote...
> harm to european consumer.
What about the European worker and the European citizen? As a European myself, I don't like being reduced to a mere consumer.
> going to save the car industry in Europe and stopping it falling entirely into the hands of the Chinese is with.... tarrifs
Europe has destroyed it's own car making industry. Extreme taxation, self-exclusion from usage of reasonably priced resources among things that buried it.
While at the same time chinese focused on making their cars better. It's as simple as that.
Now there is no way to stop chinese cars from penetrating markets. Tariffs will just buy some time. Eventually noone will buy expensive and crappy european cars.
It's a sad conclusion for someone who dislike chinese cars and been benz user for few decades. My next car won't be benz and i fear it may be chinese huawei, as the current one spends more time in workshop while being a shadow of technological and design marvel .
I wish people would google things before they bought them. BYD is not a company I would buy from, no matter the price.
If the future is electric then it's also going to be Chinese. There is much less difference between electric cars then ICE.
But it's nice to see that old fashioned small minded politics isn't dead yet;
>>Car buyers can claim subsidies of up to £3,750 on purchases of brands including Nissan, Peugeot and Vauxhall.
>>But the scheme excludes Chinese-made vehicles due to the emissions produced in their manufacture.
>>BYD has criticised the decision and said it would damage the UK's car market in the long-term.
It looks like the way they are going to save the car industry in Europe and stopping it falling entirely into the hands of the Chinese is with.... tarrifs! (they're also quietly trying to work out how to extricate themselves from their blind rush towards electric, at least i hope they are.)
> small minded politics
China (and every other developed country for that matter) achieved its status by protecting their industries. And call it small-minded if you like, but when you're competing with someone taking full advantage of in-group preference (i.e. playing like a team), if you play solo, you will lose, miserably. Unite or die.
That's not true on the face of it. BYD overtook VW in chinese market only recently in 2024[1]. In fact what seem to enable chinese auto companies to become world leader was the fact that they were exposed to global competition from VW/Tesla/GM etc.
I think you were pointing out chinese strategy to force auto makers to make JV like SAIC Volkwagen[2].
While I'm not sure if that could work in west due to high cost of labour, regardless to me it seems the strategy behind these auto tariffs is to just shut chinese automakers out of the market at great harm to european consumer.
[1] https://www.scmp.com/business/china-business/article/3287079...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAIC_Volkswagen
> That's not true on the face of it.
You're saying China doesn't protect and help their native industries? That's simply incorrect:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_China_2025
James K. Galbraith has stated that "free trade has attained the status of a god" and that " ... none of the world's most successful trading regions, including Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and now mainland China, reached their current status by adopting neoliberal trading rules." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage#Criticis...
China imposes more trade and investment barriers, discriminatory taxes, and information security restrictions than any other country by a vast margin. - https://ecipe.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/DTE_China_TWP_R...
As with most countries, China has adopted some policies aimed at protecting or promoting its domestic industries, including targeted quotas, subsidies to certain key industries and rejection of patents in critical industries. - https://www.rfa.org/english/news/afcl/fact-check-china-prote...
> harm to european consumer.
What about the European worker and the European citizen? As a European myself, I don't like being reduced to a mere consumer.
> going to save the car industry in Europe and stopping it falling entirely into the hands of the Chinese is with.... tarrifs
Europe has destroyed it's own car making industry. Extreme taxation, self-exclusion from usage of reasonably priced resources among things that buried it. While at the same time chinese focused on making their cars better. It's as simple as that.
Now there is no way to stop chinese cars from penetrating markets. Tariffs will just buy some time. Eventually noone will buy expensive and crappy european cars.
It's a sad conclusion for someone who dislike chinese cars and been benz user for few decades. My next car won't be benz and i fear it may be chinese huawei, as the current one spends more time in workshop while being a shadow of technological and design marvel .