Sometimes I'm ashamed to be an American. Imagine living high off the hog making your millions in america to go retire in France and live off their welfare for free having never contributed to their system. I'd be ashamed.
Also I’m sure Americans are not the worst leeches of the French welfare system. I’m sure other nationalities cause a much, much worse drain on it, whilst leaving basically no money there and contributing to the insecurity of the country.
Keep your thinly veiled racist bullshit out of here. You clearly know nothing about the french healthcare system. Without underpaid immigrants from africa to do the backbreaking dirty tasks, and underpaid doctors from former colonies ("faisant fonction d'interne" despite being actual doctors, paid around 10€/h) public hospitals would litterally collapse.
Most French doctors get out of the public sector en masse as soon as they can, despite the government coercing them to stay longer and longer.
You won't find a single hospital near Paris without a cohort of immigrant doctors to make it work day to day.
You could have well-paid native doctors but instead you’re relying on slave labour, and then you believe the governmental and mass media propaganda that without the slave labour you couldn’t possibly have a health system.
I am all for paying people a fair wage no matter where they come from, and I do not believe the coercive nature of most hospital work is a necessity. I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of attributing crime to immigration while in reality immigration props up vast sectors of our economy (construction, delivery, and healthcare being the main ones).
Add to that that our most tough-on-crime, tough-on-immigration president is in prison because, on contrast with the vast majority of immigrants, he is an actual criminal, and you will see how the GP's hypocrisy can be very grating.
>I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of attributing crime to immigration while in reality immigration props up vast sectors of our economy (construction, delivery, and healthcare being the main ones).
Where is the hypocrisy? Both things can be true at once.
>(construction, delivery, and healthcare being the main ones)
>immigration props up vast sectors of our economy (construction, delivery, and healthcare being the main ones).
Ignoring healthcare because it's not a "sector of the economy", look at what that "propping up" looks like: the rich get richer off their slave labour, whilst the poor get undercut and left out; natives can no longer make a living off sectors that were perfectly fine before. And, once again, it's the richest that benefit. This is a losing argument.
>our most tough-on-crime, tough-on-immigration president
Like all other conservatives in Europe, he is very tough on everything, and then does absolutely nothing against it. I bet he imported as much slave labour as the most leftist president of France, if not more.
> whilst the poor get undercut and left out; natives can no longer make a living off sectors that were perfectly fine before
Might sound harsh, but so what? You can’t make a living connecting telephone calls either, used to be a perfectly fine job.
If you can’t make a living doing job x, the demand isn’t there and the supply will automatically reduce. If there is more demand than supply, wages will inevitably increase at some point.
This feels a lot like taxi drivers complaining that they can’t make a living in an era of deregulation. And again, so what? A couple of taxi drivers previously subsidised by the government through artificial supply constraints lose while the rest of society wins.
Have you ever asked yourself why native french doctors leave the system?
If the system would function normaly, without corrutpion and ran by meritocratic politicians this wouldn't happen.
Immigrants are not the solution, but the side effect of a corrupt system.
The majority of immigrants are also a taxpayer money sink, compared to native populations they eat up disproportionate amount of taxpayer money (wellfare), so the net effect of immigration is actually negative.
Portugal is thinking down the same line given how trendy it has become to be the new Florida, in some sense, driving housing prices high and social security infrastructure.
Sometimes I'm ashamed to be an American. Imagine living high off the hog making your millions in america to go retire in France and live off their welfare for free having never contributed to their system. I'd be ashamed.
Hate the game, not the player.
Also I’m sure Americans are not the worst leeches of the French welfare system. I’m sure other nationalities cause a much, much worse drain on it, whilst leaving basically no money there and contributing to the insecurity of the country.
Keep your thinly veiled racist bullshit out of here. You clearly know nothing about the french healthcare system. Without underpaid immigrants from africa to do the backbreaking dirty tasks, and underpaid doctors from former colonies ("faisant fonction d'interne" despite being actual doctors, paid around 10€/h) public hospitals would litterally collapse.
Most French doctors get out of the public sector en masse as soon as they can, despite the government coercing them to stay longer and longer.
You won't find a single hospital near Paris without a cohort of immigrant doctors to make it work day to day.
You could have well-paid native doctors but instead you’re relying on slave labour, and then you believe the governmental and mass media propaganda that without the slave labour you couldn’t possibly have a health system.
I am all for paying people a fair wage no matter where they come from, and I do not believe the coercive nature of most hospital work is a necessity. I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of attributing crime to immigration while in reality immigration props up vast sectors of our economy (construction, delivery, and healthcare being the main ones).
Add to that that our most tough-on-crime, tough-on-immigration president is in prison because, on contrast with the vast majority of immigrants, he is an actual criminal, and you will see how the GP's hypocrisy can be very grating.
>I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of attributing crime to immigration while in reality immigration props up vast sectors of our economy (construction, delivery, and healthcare being the main ones).
Where is the hypocrisy? Both things can be true at once.
>(construction, delivery, and healthcare being the main ones)
Pays des boomers mdr
>immigration props up vast sectors of our economy (construction, delivery, and healthcare being the main ones).
Ignoring healthcare because it's not a "sector of the economy", look at what that "propping up" looks like: the rich get richer off their slave labour, whilst the poor get undercut and left out; natives can no longer make a living off sectors that were perfectly fine before. And, once again, it's the richest that benefit. This is a losing argument.
>our most tough-on-crime, tough-on-immigration president
Like all other conservatives in Europe, he is very tough on everything, and then does absolutely nothing against it. I bet he imported as much slave labour as the most leftist president of France, if not more.
> whilst the poor get undercut and left out; natives can no longer make a living off sectors that were perfectly fine before
Might sound harsh, but so what? You can’t make a living connecting telephone calls either, used to be a perfectly fine job.
If you can’t make a living doing job x, the demand isn’t there and the supply will automatically reduce. If there is more demand than supply, wages will inevitably increase at some point.
This feels a lot like taxi drivers complaining that they can’t make a living in an era of deregulation. And again, so what? A couple of taxi drivers previously subsidised by the government through artificial supply constraints lose while the rest of society wins.
Healthcare isn’t a sector of the economy? Since when?
If you hate the way they pay immigrants look at the laws of the country don’t hear the immigrants. Doing the latter is the mark of ignorance.
Have you ever asked yourself why native french doctors leave the system?
If the system would function normaly, without corrutpion and ran by meritocratic politicians this wouldn't happen.
Immigrants are not the solution, but the side effect of a corrupt system.
The majority of immigrants are also a taxpayer money sink, compared to native populations they eat up disproportionate amount of taxpayer money (wellfare), so the net effect of immigration is actually negative.
> Have you ever asked yourself why native french doctors leave the system?
They don't leave the system at all, there's simply been a cap on how many doctors the french state would train for decades
It is totally ok to hate the player. Especially when the players here are people who define the rules of the "game".
They in fact have agency.
The people who define the rules in France are called "French", not "American".
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Portugal is thinking down the same line given how trendy it has become to be the new Florida, in some sense, driving housing prices high and social security infrastructure.
fair enough.