The obvious next step is to play Doom rendered as actual PCBs. Each frame is automatically ordered online and then, when it arrives two weeks later, slotted into a holder whilst the bored player contemplates their life choices.
Assuming that's 15 FPS that's about 80-100 Euro (sans shipping) per second of gameplay and due to most PCB fabs having a MOQ of 5 you could play 5 at a time!
That got me thinking “I wonder if anyone has done this on an oscilloscope” and oddly I can't fine anyone who quite has. That DOOM objects are sprites and not actual 3D objects would limit the fidelity, but the scenery could be rendered at least. There are several examples of managing to use a high-speed scope as a low-res monochrome raster device (scanning like a CRT monitor does and turning the beam on & off as needed).
I did find an example of Quake being done on a scope the way I was imagining: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMli33ornEU - as all objects are actual 3D models in Quake that even manages to give them some presence & shape.
EDIT: then I read the second half of this post and saw ScopeDoom! I'm surprised there are no earlier examples that are easy to find.
I pulled inspiration from this port to a vectrex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuVnoqFF3II, there is a wayback machine link to the authors writeup credited in my writeup.
I have seen a lot of ports of DOOM on overpowered Windows based test equipment, particularly the Keysight MXA's, but they're just using them as a computer. Spectrum DOOM though. Could it be done by taking snapshots of a waterfall plot?
How about analog raster scan? a.k.a. slow-scan TV? [0] Like how they returned the live television images from the Apollo missions. (They only had 1 MHz of bandwidth for everything - voice, computer up and downlink, telemetry, and TV. Standard analog broadcast TV was 6 MHz. So they reduced the scan rate to 10 frames per second instead of 60, and halved the horizontal line resolution -- that could fit in 500 kHz.)
Most modern SSTV standards are super-narrowband, designed to fit into just a few hundred Hertz for amateur radio. But what if you had the full 20 kHz of bandwidth of a nice audio channel? With 100 horizontal lines per frame, and 1 frame per second -- that is about 200 cycles per horizontal line, or enough to resolve, in theory, 100 vertical lines on each horizontal line. I.e., 100 x 100 pixels (ish) at 1 fps.
Now that does present some interesting possibilities.
It looks like a web page with audio input permissions can be expected to sample at 48KHz I wonder what the quality is like from a cable bodged off a spare pin.
A little webapp running on your phone could actually do some nifty on-the-fly display.
Side note, this is using the new KiCad socket APIs in v9 right? What was your experience using those?
I've written my own s-expr library to inject footprints and symbols and it's a huge pain and flakey. I'd love to move to something a bit more fleshed out and official.
This isn't using the KiCad socket API, although it probably would have been cleaner. It's a bog standard Plugin that should work for v6+.
I'd be keen to have a look at your s-expr library, it likely has some overlap and utility for one of my other projects, https://www.circuitsnips.com , which is like thingiverse for electrical circuits. I had to figure out how to feed the embedded kicanvas renderer a full sheet, as it can't handle subcircuits, but allow the user to export subcircuits to the clipboard.
When I first shared CircuitSnips with the KiCad discord, the KiCad 9+ design block feature was brought up, which might be of interest to you as well?
You remind me about Atari XL/XE game "Inside", which was fighting some dust balls or what? inside the Atari. If a circuit was broken you had to fly there and fix it, but when for example Pokey was broken the music was distorted, Antic - the screen was distorted etc
KiDoom I don't fully get. The website says "All components connected to a shared net; the PCB could be sent to a fab house (it just wouldn't do anything useful)" but I don't see any of the component pins hooked up in the demo video.
It means they're not actually "all connected to a shared net", no?
Something that actually connects the components and routes the traces in a way that makes it somehow still recognizable as the 3D environment would've been cool, otherwise this is kind of just like piping draw commands into a <canvas> from a hook in the Doom renderer. KiCAD just happens to be a complicated line drawing app.
Don't get me wrong, still a fun little hack. But some more PCB-ness would make it even cooler.
It might be that the website undersells it and there's more PCB-ness than I can detect in the visuals. Is it using layers and vias between them for the z-sorting or so? Both the website and the commits have a distinct AI slop feel to them and are somehow not very detailed on this part.
So the reason everything is on one net is so kicad doesn't need to calculate a ratsnest/air wires.
As for the drawing, we pulled the vectors as a list from the C, and used a painters algo and drew back to front using the distance from the player in the python code.
We then treated them as polygons to allow us to work out occlusion to hide things behind walls, but the data pipes to kicad/the headphone jack is just the vector/wireframes/outlines, filtered by what's left after the occlusion test.
So yep, using footprints as sprites was my (clunky) nod to electronics, as I didn't like the idea of drawing polygons. Kicad can definitely handle them, but they're less fun.
Now, if I'm really bored over Christmas, I may port it to fusion360, which will have a 3d engine.
I 100% abused Claude code to get here, and i tend to get it to write the bones of a write up, which I then populated with my own thoughts, else I can't get started. We are worryingly becoming more aligned.
This is one of those projects where the implementation is more interesting than the meme. Rendering DOOM isn’t the impressive part, hijacking a PCB editor’s rendering pipeline and making it behave like a real-time vector engine is.
The part I love most is how many unrelated systems had to cooperate:
extracting geometry directly from DOOM’s drawsegs/vissprite internals
mapping sprite classes to physical component footprints
running real-time updates through KiCad’s object model without triggering full recompute
and then running the same vector stream to an oscilloscope via audio DAC
That’s a really clever chain of “use the tool for something it was never designed to do.”
ScopeDoom might end up being the more interesting long-term direction, vector displays force you to think about rendering differently, and there’s something poetic about DOOM being rendered as literal analog voltage traces.
Thanks very much. ScopeDOOM definitely has potential, I need to work on the occlusion logic to clean up the display, whilst it's not particularly visible on the demo, I did actually use distance to 'camera' to control pcb trace thickness, so close walls look thicker.
In lieu of an intensity channel for the scope implementation, slowing down the vector drawing for segments would make them 'brighter' on a proper scope, but I don't know if my relatively cheap Siglent would be able to distinguish between them.
I've got some NI DAC's here, or could use a mcu, the practical limit of the DAC on a teensy 4.1 is reportedly around 1Mhz, however for me I don't think theres a practical reason to do so.
Although, a native implementation on a teensy, with the wad on an sd card and direct input, no computer at all is very tempting...
Back on track, i've got to spend a bit more time focussing on work and other projects, but I have my next ludicrous port planned already.
This is a little different from most "Doom on X" projects, because the accomplishment is less about the hardware (it's just a normal computer) and more about turning a circuit-board designer into a real-time game display.
I've seen ZMachine games under a pen and also under a PostScript file. PS, unlike Doom fanboys claiming otherwise with PDF files embedding JS (and I daily play FreeDoom with daily build WADs).
ZMachine games are the 2nd most ported game in existence. The first one must be Tetris. Which has been interpreted under the ZMachine itself.
A Z3 game can run platforms which Doom can just dream:
- A PostScript virtual machine
- An FPGA implementation
- Kaypro/Altair with CP/M 2.2
- MSX 1/2
- Amiga/Atari/Mac68k
- ZX Spectrum 128
- Amstrap CPC
- TRS I-IV
- C64
- Apple II (maybe Apple 1 with a 16k RAM expansion)
- GB/C
- PDA's/Palms
- Maybe the NES with an on-screen keyboard
- Ditto with the Master System
- PS1 and PS2, N64 with an OSK again.
- Windows/Linux/Mac/Android/Whatever
- Damn Minix 2.0 under a homebrew CPU with TTL's
- Ebooks
- Maybe a shader
- Subleq+Eforth + a VM written in Eforth. At OFC glacial
speeds but with Muxleq it might run fast enough even
under my shitty n270 netbook:
This is amazing. It feels like it could be a tom7 project (https://tom7.org/, https://youtube.com/@tom7).
What an honour, thanks
The obvious next step is to play Doom rendered as actual PCBs. Each frame is automatically ordered online and then, when it arrives two weeks later, slotted into a holder whilst the bored player contemplates their life choices.
Assuming that's 15 FPS that's about 80-100 Euro (sans shipping) per second of gameplay and due to most PCB fabs having a MOQ of 5 you could play 5 at a time!
Yeah but just liked an overclocked gpu, there's errors on those boards so you have to throw them away and wait for the for the next revision.
But how motivating it would be to do the best speedruns!
You can speed things up with speculative execution. If you add one, you will want a good branch predictor to keep costs down.
I initially read the headline to mean they got Doom running on a PCB. I suppose with a large enough board that would be possible.
A large enough board, and a small enough camera to navigate through it FPV style.
> to extract vector data directly from the engine
That got me thinking “I wonder if anyone has done this on an oscilloscope” and oddly I can't fine anyone who quite has. That DOOM objects are sprites and not actual 3D objects would limit the fidelity, but the scenery could be rendered at least. There are several examples of managing to use a high-speed scope as a low-res monochrome raster device (scanning like a CRT monitor does and turning the beam on & off as needed).
I did find an example of Quake being done on a scope the way I was imagining: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMli33ornEU - as all objects are actual 3D models in Quake that even manages to give them some presence & shape.
EDIT: then I read the second half of this post and saw ScopeDoom! I'm surprised there are no earlier examples that are easy to find.
Author here:
I pulled inspiration from this port to a vectrex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuVnoqFF3II, there is a wayback machine link to the authors writeup credited in my writeup.
I have seen a lot of ports of DOOM on overpowered Windows based test equipment, particularly the Keysight MXA's, but they're just using them as a computer. Spectrum DOOM though. Could it be done by taking snapshots of a waterfall plot?
Lol, I jsut started learning KiCAD last week, and I work in at a game dev coworking space, so this is a perfect combination of the two! Nice!
I don’t care how this makes the world a better place, because it just does.
One of my to-do-one-day projects is an audio jack display system out of a Microcontroller.
Was never quite sure if I should raw XY it or soft modem so I could decode on a web page on a handy device.
> raw XY it or soft modem
How about analog raster scan? a.k.a. slow-scan TV? [0] Like how they returned the live television images from the Apollo missions. (They only had 1 MHz of bandwidth for everything - voice, computer up and downlink, telemetry, and TV. Standard analog broadcast TV was 6 MHz. So they reduced the scan rate to 10 frames per second instead of 60, and halved the horizontal line resolution -- that could fit in 500 kHz.)
Most modern SSTV standards are super-narrowband, designed to fit into just a few hundred Hertz for amateur radio. But what if you had the full 20 kHz of bandwidth of a nice audio channel? With 100 horizontal lines per frame, and 1 frame per second -- that is about 200 cycles per horizontal line, or enough to resolve, in theory, 100 vertical lines on each horizontal line. I.e., 100 x 100 pixels (ish) at 1 fps.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow-scan_television
Now that does present some interesting possibilities.
It looks like a web page with audio input permissions can be expected to sample at 48KHz I wonder what the quality is like from a cable bodged off a spare pin.
A little webapp running on your phone could actually do some nifty on-the-fly display.
Could you print the designs to paper and make a repeatable flip-card stack? Oh no. How long before it becomes a PowerPoint presentation?!
As an extension, allow new maps to be added based on chip design CAD files - chips become rooms, soldering lines are corridors
Just looking quickly but it looks like I have to try to run this on my analog scope
Side note, this is using the new KiCad socket APIs in v9 right? What was your experience using those?
I've written my own s-expr library to inject footprints and symbols and it's a huge pain and flakey. I'd love to move to something a bit more fleshed out and official.
This isn't using the KiCad socket API, although it probably would have been cleaner. It's a bog standard Plugin that should work for v6+.
I'd be keen to have a look at your s-expr library, it likely has some overlap and utility for one of my other projects, https://www.circuitsnips.com , which is like thingiverse for electrical circuits. I had to figure out how to feed the embedded kicanvas renderer a full sheet, as it can't handle subcircuits, but allow the user to export subcircuits to the clipboard.
When I first shared CircuitSnips with the KiCad discord, the KiCad 9+ design block feature was brought up, which might be of interest to you as well?
Inception version: make it so shooting components degrades the machine it runs on.
You remind me about Atari XL/XE game "Inside", which was fighting some dust balls or what? inside the Atari. If a circuit was broken you had to fly there and fix it, but when for example Pokey was broken the music was distorted, Antic - the screen was distorted etc
This is wonderfully nerdy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsSg110yJZg
Or a "tin whiskers" version, where just playing the game gives your player damage--even when the machine is powered off.
Or a "tin whiskers" version, where just playing the game degrades the machine--even when powered off.
A bit like psDooM
Love ScopeDoom!
KiDoom I don't fully get. The website says "All components connected to a shared net; the PCB could be sent to a fab house (it just wouldn't do anything useful)" but I don't see any of the component pins hooked up in the demo video.
What don't you get? The pins are not hooked up, so the PCB wouldn't do anything useful
It means they're not actually "all connected to a shared net", no?
Something that actually connects the components and routes the traces in a way that makes it somehow still recognizable as the 3D environment would've been cool, otherwise this is kind of just like piping draw commands into a <canvas> from a hook in the Doom renderer. KiCAD just happens to be a complicated line drawing app.
Don't get me wrong, still a fun little hack. But some more PCB-ness would make it even cooler.
It might be that the website undersells it and there's more PCB-ness than I can detect in the visuals. Is it using layers and vias between them for the z-sorting or so? Both the website and the commits have a distinct AI slop feel to them and are somehow not very detailed on this part.
So the reason everything is on one net is so kicad doesn't need to calculate a ratsnest/air wires.
As for the drawing, we pulled the vectors as a list from the C, and used a painters algo and drew back to front using the distance from the player in the python code.
We then treated them as polygons to allow us to work out occlusion to hide things behind walls, but the data pipes to kicad/the headphone jack is just the vector/wireframes/outlines, filtered by what's left after the occlusion test.
So yep, using footprints as sprites was my (clunky) nod to electronics, as I didn't like the idea of drawing polygons. Kicad can definitely handle them, but they're less fun.
Now, if I'm really bored over Christmas, I may port it to fusion360, which will have a 3d engine.
I 100% abused Claude code to get here, and i tend to get it to write the bones of a write up, which I then populated with my own thoughts, else I can't get started. We are worryingly becoming more aligned.
Never Trust The Automap
Is there a video/demo of it somewhere?
Literally the first thing in the linked post after the titles.
That's a potato-quality gif, not a video.
Of course I love this. DOOM forever.
Awesome project, but why is the page a semi-transparent overlay on another page?
This is one of those projects where the implementation is more interesting than the meme. Rendering DOOM isn’t the impressive part, hijacking a PCB editor’s rendering pipeline and making it behave like a real-time vector engine is.
The part I love most is how many unrelated systems had to cooperate:
extracting geometry directly from DOOM’s drawsegs/vissprite internals
mapping sprite classes to physical component footprints
running real-time updates through KiCad’s object model without triggering full recompute
and then running the same vector stream to an oscilloscope via audio DAC
That’s a really clever chain of “use the tool for something it was never designed to do.”
ScopeDoom might end up being the more interesting long-term direction, vector displays force you to think about rendering differently, and there’s something poetic about DOOM being rendered as literal analog voltage traces.
If you ever take it further, the combination of:
faster DAC (or multi-kHz arbitrary waveform generator)
true analog persistence phosphor scope
and dynamic sprite simplification
…could get you surprisingly close to a smooth vector-shooter aesthetic.
Either way: great hack. The world needs more playful abuse of serious tools.
Thanks very much. ScopeDOOM definitely has potential, I need to work on the occlusion logic to clean up the display, whilst it's not particularly visible on the demo, I did actually use distance to 'camera' to control pcb trace thickness, so close walls look thicker.
In lieu of an intensity channel for the scope implementation, slowing down the vector drawing for segments would make them 'brighter' on a proper scope, but I don't know if my relatively cheap Siglent would be able to distinguish between them.
I've got some NI DAC's here, or could use a mcu, the practical limit of the DAC on a teensy 4.1 is reportedly around 1Mhz, however for me I don't think theres a practical reason to do so.
Although, a native implementation on a teensy, with the wad on an sd card and direct input, no computer at all is very tempting...
Back on track, i've got to spend a bit more time focussing on work and other projects, but I have my next ludicrous port planned already.
This is just a meme now. Doom running on X. I don't get it but congratulations on your very whimsical accomplishment!
This is a little different from most "Doom on X" projects, because the accomplishment is less about the hardware (it's just a normal computer) and more about turning a circuit-board designer into a real-time game display.
Just like Doom running on Factorio combinators.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bAuP0gO5pc
Wir a Minute, that’s Wolfenstein! (Raycasting)
That's very cool. A very good use of your free time. The world needs more whimsy!
I've seen ZMachine games under a pen and also under a PostScript file. PS, unlike Doom fanboys claiming otherwise with PDF files embedding JS (and I daily play FreeDoom with daily build WADs).
ZMachine games are the 2nd most ported game in existence. The first one must be Tetris. Which has been interpreted under the ZMachine itself.
A Z3 game can run platforms which Doom can just dream:
- A PostScript virtual machine
- An FPGA implementation
- Kaypro/Altair with CP/M 2.2
- MSX 1/2
- Amiga/Atari/Mac68k
- ZX Spectrum 128
- Amstrap CPC
- TRS I-IV
- C64
- Apple II (maybe Apple 1 with a 16k RAM expansion)
- GB/C
- PDA's/Palms
- Maybe the NES with an on-screen keyboard
- Ditto with the Master System
- PS1 and PS2, N64 with an OSK again.
- Windows/Linux/Mac/Android/Whatever
- Damn Minix 2.0 under a homebrew CPU with TTL's
- Ebooks
- Maybe a shader
- Subleq+Eforth + a VM written in Eforth. At OFC glacial speeds but with Muxleq it might run fast enough even under my shitty n270 netbook:
https://github.com/howerj/muxleq
The Perl muxleq implementation already ran muc h faster than subleq, it was a literal two-line patch. Literal, as-is. A dumb IF clause.
so the C one can be fast enough maybe to run Z3 games with a bit of patience.
Output?
- screens
- speakers
- printers
- Braille outputs
- Morse (yes you can hook any TTY output to morse audio with ease unde Unix)
Sorry, Doom can't compete.
Doom on X (or rather "Can it run Doom?") is one of the original internet memes, dating way back to the 90s.
I wish doom ran on X.
Sorry, only Wayland allowed.
Funnily enough, Wayland doesn't support KiCad very well. https://www.kicad.org/blog/2025/06/KiCad-and-Wayland-Support...