> A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
For the vast majority of US legal history the interpretation of this confusing text focused on the first half ("A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"). Nowadays all we hear is the 2nd half.
The idea that it's about an individual's right to carry and not about the right of a state to holding a standing army is a very modern invention and actually started around the Civil Rights era. Black Panthers were actually one of the major groups that pushed for this interpretation. To be clear, that interpretation existed before that but it was definitely a niche idea.
Tim Walz is threatening to mobilize the Minnesota National Guard to expel ICE.
The 2nd amendment was made exactly for a situation like this but today its original intent feels far gone.
The National Guard is NOT a state militia. Its funding and equipment come from the Feds, and any state-level authority can be removed at the president's whim.
This was settled when Reagan sent NG units from some states NG members overseas over the objection of said states' governors.
I typically post right leaning - she was trying to run away not kill the ICE officer.
What I think needs to happen, investigation. Most likely the ICE officer will still be released because he'll testify he thought he was going to be killed. He will likely no longer be part of ICE in a few hours.
Just a few months ago, Carlos Jimenez (a citizen, not that it should matter) went up to ICE officers to ask them to move away from a bus stop where school children were to gather soon. ICE shot him after he began driving away. He survived but no ICE officer faced any consequences.
Yeah, I think, I'm willing to entertain discussions about how much protestors or third parties should be able to mess with law enforcement, but this seems like the officer made catastrophically bad decisions here.
In most cases where these agents are violent, good luck even getting a name tied to the violent action.
It's been wild watch folks who couldn't say out loud or to themselves "secret police are necessary and good" say "well, this police work is super dangerous and needed so we can't know who these brave men are".
The poor hero is recovering at the hospital right now after being run over according to the president. He may or may not get off by the courts, but he will be feted by MAGA. If he's removed from ICE it'll be to go on a media tour.
NBC News reports that this was contrary to the officer's training and DHS' own policies.
> ICE officers are trained to never approach a vehicle from the front and instead to approach in a “tactical L” 90-degree angle to prevent injury or cross-fire, a senior Department of Homeland Security official told NBC News.
> Officers are also instructed not to shoot at a moving vehicle and only to use force if there is an immediate risk of serious injury or death, the official said.
> ICE officers are also instructed that firing at a vehicle will not make it stop moving in the direction of the officer.
That last point is interesting, because from the video it does seem like there was a risk that the officer made things worse, and actually they did, I forget the car speeds up and crashes after.
I had trouble seeing motive in the video, but I clearly saw the car turn to avoid the police officer. Additionally, given where the police officer was standing, shooting her was not self defense since it probably put him at more risk.
> A third officer, who has been standing on the other side of the road, pulls out a firearm while the car is turning away from him and fires into the car three times. The officer fires two of the shots when the vehicle is already well past him. He is not in front of the car, but to the side. The officer calmly holsters his weapon.
The full text of the 2nd amendment is
> A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
For the vast majority of US legal history the interpretation of this confusing text focused on the first half ("A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"). Nowadays all we hear is the 2nd half.
The idea that it's about an individual's right to carry and not about the right of a state to holding a standing army is a very modern invention and actually started around the Civil Rights era. Black Panthers were actually one of the major groups that pushed for this interpretation. To be clear, that interpretation existed before that but it was definitely a niche idea.
Tim Walz is threatening to mobilize the Minnesota National Guard to expel ICE.
The 2nd amendment was made exactly for a situation like this but today its original intent feels far gone.
The National Guard is NOT a state militia. Its funding and equipment come from the Feds, and any state-level authority can be removed at the president's whim.
This was settled when Reagan sent NG units from some states NG members overseas over the objection of said states' governors.
https://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/ROA-Times/issues/1990/rt9...
I typically post right leaning - she was trying to run away not kill the ICE officer.
What I think needs to happen, investigation. Most likely the ICE officer will still be released because he'll testify he thought he was going to be killed. He will likely no longer be part of ICE in a few hours.
Just a few months ago, Carlos Jimenez (a citizen, not that it should matter) went up to ICE officers to ask them to move away from a bus stop where school children were to gather soon. ICE shot him after he began driving away. He survived but no ICE officer faced any consequences.
Assuming he was threatened: How can a pistol stop a car?
Yeah, I think, I'm willing to entertain discussions about how much protestors or third parties should be able to mess with law enforcement, but this seems like the officer made catastrophically bad decisions here.
> He will likely no longer be part of ICE in a few hours.
I would bet everything I own against that without a second thought.
And it seems I would've won!
It has been 16 hours. I am not aware of him being fired.
I'm not an oracle, it was a guess.
In my opinion you should edit whatever beliefs caused you to think that this was a likely outcome.
In most cases where these agents are violent, good luck even getting a name tied to the violent action.
It's been wild watch folks who couldn't say out loud or to themselves "secret police are necessary and good" say "well, this police work is super dangerous and needed so we can't know who these brave men are".
The poor hero is recovering at the hospital right now after being run over according to the president. He may or may not get off by the courts, but he will be feted by MAGA. If he's removed from ICE it'll be to go on a media tour.
Thanks for your integrity.
NBC News reports that this was contrary to the officer's training and DHS' own policies.
> ICE officers are trained to never approach a vehicle from the front and instead to approach in a “tactical L” 90-degree angle to prevent injury or cross-fire, a senior Department of Homeland Security official told NBC News. > Officers are also instructed not to shoot at a moving vehicle and only to use force if there is an immediate risk of serious injury or death, the official said. > ICE officers are also instructed that firing at a vehicle will not make it stop moving in the direction of the officer.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/minnesota-ice...
That last point is interesting, because from the video it does seem like there was a risk that the officer made things worse, and actually they did, I forget the car speeds up and crashes after.
Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46531702
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I had trouble seeing motive in the video, but I clearly saw the car turn to avoid the police officer. Additionally, given where the police officer was standing, shooting her was not self defense since it probably put him at more risk.
No, she didn't.
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… in the other direction, trying to leave.
https://www.404media.co/dhs-is-lying-to-you-about-ice-shooti...
> A third officer, who has been standing on the other side of the road, pulls out a firearm while the car is turning away from him and fires into the car three times. The officer fires two of the shots when the vehicle is already well past him. He is not in front of the car, but to the side. The officer calmly holsters his weapon.
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