The localisation guide for IBM VisualAge C++ went through an example of defining a new language called “Texan”, and then replacing “Hello World” with “Howdy”.
There's a language called SLang inside Goldman Sachs used for their SecuritiesDB, and that's how I read it at first glance even with the dollar sign lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Dubno#SecDB
Slang? The IDE looked like Turbo C++ of old (blue, text based interface). Shortcuts are weird, so you need to remap keys to get sane defaults.
Probably the most unique feature is that the language supports spaces in identifiers. So you'd have variables like "Option Portfolio Risk" or functions like "Calculate Estimated PnL". Visually obviously different from Python, but it gave me Pythonic vibes.
It's also nice that it supports preconditions, so you can specify the valid range of arguments etc. It has some kind of OOP support but tbh it felt bolted on (understandably).
But the most value adding, IMHO, is the DevEx and deep integration with SecDb. Say what you want about the DOS-like IDE and the old (20+ years old for sure, maybe 30+) language, but you can deploy your code SO easily into production, with guardrails in place.
Out of curiosity, I implemented a toy language (thanks to Robert Nystrom's Crafting Interpreters) that supports spaces in identifiers (https://github.com/rayfdj/gaul-lang) as well. Makes for an interesting weekend coding project, and it helps me understand more the tradeoffs that Slang designers must have gone through.
fn Calculate Portfolio Risk(Initial Investment, Risk Factor) {
let My Very Special Adjustment = 0.95
Initial Investment * Risk Factor * My Very Special Adjustment
}
that is so cool; this is actually something i've been looking for a long time
and jam karet looks interesting; `if input ~= "yes"` made me smile.
i also liked the keyword replacement for multiple languages as well, that could be super usefull for children learning programming i'd think!
Likewise. Thought it'd be pronounced "slang", and thought the semantics would be you define LANG=<name of a language> at the top of the file (like a hashbang) and then write in whatever language you please. $LANG is a neato language because it has all the coolest features rolled into one unified design: polymorphic lifetime borrowing, endofunctor monoid monads, (stacked) coroutines, and even quantum data types.
> This article doesn't use the name "Lisp" enough. The language with the best chance of lasting a long time is the one with the simplest syntax. That is Lisp...
Not sure if I should remove those or leave them in for color!
I did remove "The Perfect Programming Language" and "The Enterprise Programming Language" and a few others that weren't real languages. "Enterprise" is a great name for a programming language though.
https://news.ycombinator.com/showlang is the first time I've seen a direct URL that adds an element to the navbar. Did you make this HN feature just for showlang or are there any other similar links?
The old lesson from the Wizard of Oz experiment says that a regular expression probably isn't too crude, if you're willing to take the time to design it. Though you could probably get away with running a regex golf algorithm (e.g. https://nbviewer.org/url/norvig.com/ipython/xkcd1313.ipynb) over the list of matching titles, and the union of some list of non-matching-but-close titles (chosen to get good discrimination) with some list of way-off titles (to avoid overfitting). (You could treat the whole HN title database, other than the ones you've identified, as losers, but that risks hardcoding the absence of a post you accidentally missed, and would also take slightly longer – though Peter Norvig's first algorithm takes time linear in the number of losers, so it might not be too expensive. I don't know how expensive his improved versions are, given large lists of losers: https://nbviewer.org/url/norvig.com/ipython/xkcd1313-part2.i.... Better algorithms are surely available.)
Ah I missed the previous threads about your language, because they didn't follow the title convention I was searching for. I've put https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17161533 (the first one) in there now. It would be better if it just said "The Mint Programming Language" though (and I'm not above fudging that retroactively!)
the headline made me think somebody else came up with my idea. I wanted to a create a language whose name was langlang. to understand how to parse it, that would be the equivalent as a name to C, and the equivalent to clang would be langlanglang.
I considered the shorter name lang, but lang already has a meaning and I thought then in that world langlang might confuse people as to the actual name of the language, whereas since langlanglanglang is clearly needless overkill in a name, langlang and langlanglang would provide just the right amount readability and reinforcement as to the actual name of langlang.
IIRC there are quite a few cases in there where the same language got more than one thread. That's fine as long as they're (a) interesting, and (b) a year or more apart! (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html)
They're static lists that won't get updated unless we add to them manually. I'd love to make them auto-update (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46610744) but that might be too much to expect for now.
I did a Show HN for a language called Tsonic yesterday, which is a variant of TypeScript (all tsonic is valid typescript) requiring stronger typing which compiles to x64/ARM native code via .Net/NativeAOT. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46604308
It didn't appear in Show HN at all. Perhaps because another user posted it as a regular topic just a few minutes earlier, which drops off very quickly (within minutes) - but I think the issue is wider.
For a while now, I've felt that the new topics stream requires you to promote the topic outside of HN to be seen on HN - sometimes by adding a "Discuss on HN" link in the blog, or on social networks etc. The problem is quite fundamental: the "Show" link gets a small fraction of clicks. The "Show New" (two clicks away) probably gets tinier, miniscule fraction of clicks. The intersection of people who are interested in the project and those who have clicked "Show New" would be very nearly null. So upvotes will have to come from outside.
That's great! It didn't make the /show page because some of the upvotes were dropped by our software. We can re-up it, but first can you add some text to the post, explaining the background and what's different about it? If you look at what I told the Lax guys earlier (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46608577), that might give some ideas.
Also, if you're ok with changing the title to "Show HN: The Tsonic Programming Language" then I could add it to https://news.ycombinator.com/showlang :)
Sure! But I tried to restrict it to threads that got (interesting) comments, and there aren't any yet in that one. So let's put it in the SCP* as well :)
As with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46618769, that one didn't make it into the list because the title didn't fit the convention. I've added it now. It would be better if it just said "The MoonBit Programming Language" though!
For a moment I thought there was actually a new language called $LANG, which would have been wonderful.
I was thinking how it would be odd to have a programming language called en_AU.UTF-8.
The localisation guide for IBM VisualAge C++ went through an example of defining a new language called “Texan”, and then replacing “Hello World” with “Howdy”.
drawl “G’day mate.”
All error messages begin "Strewth!"
*G'day mate
There's a language called SLang inside Goldman Sachs used for their SecuritiesDB, and that's how I read it at first glance even with the dollar sign lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Dubno#SecDB
That's what I thought too. The $ sign seemed quite appropriate given Goldman's line of business.
See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Lang (https://www.jedsoft.org/slang/index.html), a (stack-based) scripting language implementing a terminal UI toolkit. Mutt can use use S-Lang instead of ncurses.
I wonder what a program written in that language looks like.
Slang? The IDE looked like Turbo C++ of old (blue, text based interface). Shortcuts are weird, so you need to remap keys to get sane defaults.
Probably the most unique feature is that the language supports spaces in identifiers. So you'd have variables like "Option Portfolio Risk" or functions like "Calculate Estimated PnL". Visually obviously different from Python, but it gave me Pythonic vibes.
It's also nice that it supports preconditions, so you can specify the valid range of arguments etc. It has some kind of OOP support but tbh it felt bolted on (understandably).
But the most value adding, IMHO, is the DevEx and deep integration with SecDb. Say what you want about the DOS-like IDE and the old (20+ years old for sure, maybe 30+) language, but you can deploy your code SO easily into production, with guardrails in place.
Out of curiosity, I implemented a toy language (thanks to Robert Nystrom's Crafting Interpreters) that supports spaces in identifiers (https://github.com/rayfdj/gaul-lang) as well. Makes for an interesting weekend coding project, and it helps me understand more the tradeoffs that Slang designers must have gone through.
and jam karet looks interesting; `if input ~= "yes"` made me smile.
i also liked the keyword replacement for multiple languages as well, that could be super usefull for children learning programming i'd think!
Thank you for the kind words! I had great fun implementing it. Robert Nystrom is such a hero for writing Crafting Interpreters.
its a big inspiration for me because thats on my list of things to do
i tried your repo and it works just as you say; so cool
i may introduce it to some acquaintances who have trouble learning programming caused by reading english characters/grammar troubles
See also the Slang shader language, it's a pretty recent development! https://shader-slang.org
Want to submit to HN and email us (hn@ycombinator.com) so we can put it in the SCP? (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998308)
Same! My first thoughts: "Is this language pronounced Lang or Slang? Slang is actually a cool name for a new programming language..."
http://shader-slang.org/ agrees
There has been https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Lang for ages, ...
And even much older: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S_%28programming_language%29
There was a Linux distribution (briefly) called "$DISTRO". Known today as "Ubuntu".
well Raku has the Slangify module https://raku.land/zef:lizmat/Slangify
The $LANG programming language, where the keywords are all just in-jokes that change from week to week.
When(walls == fell)
I use that every day at $WORK!
Goldman Sachs does have a language called Slang
Likewise. Thought it'd be pronounced "slang", and thought the semantics would be you define LANG=<name of a language> at the top of the file (like a hashbang) and then write in whatever language you please. $LANG is a neato language because it has all the coolest features rolled into one unified design: polymorphic lifetime borrowing, endofunctor monoid monads, (stacked) coroutines, and even quantum data types.
This is a fun false positive :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34675259
Not because it's not a PL, but because:
> This article doesn't use the name "Lisp" enough. The language with the best chance of lasting a long time is the one with the simplest syntax. That is Lisp...
Whoops! I tried to catch those but yes.
Another false positive: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13252407
Thanks for making this!
Not sure if I should remove those or leave them in for color!
I did remove "The Perfect Programming Language" and "The Enterprise Programming Language" and a few others that weren't real languages. "Enterprise" is a great name for a programming language though.
> Enterprise
A language to go where no language has gone before.
One more false positive: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16860445
"Value in Learning Yet Another" also seems like a great name for an esoteric programming language.
It reminds me of the usernames like "Your Own Mother How Could You" in FPS games from 20 years ago.
"You killed Your Own Mother How Could You"
See "The Your Name Here Story" (1960) [1] It's a generic industrial film.
[1] https://archive.org/details/YourName1960
Yikes, I tanked HN's performance by posting this! Probably because of loading all those old threads over and over.
I've moved the URL out of the link at the top, which seems to be helping for now.
(now I have to decide whether to go down another rabbit hole and fix that)
https://news.ycombinator.com/showlang is the first time I've seen a direct URL that adds an element to the navbar. Did you make this HN feature just for showlang or are there any other similar links?
See https://news.ycombinator.com/lists, linked from the footer. Those are the main ones.
I won't add /thelang and /showlang unless we have a way of keeping them up to date, which we don't (for now) have.
There is also shownew and highlights at least, I think maybe a few others still
Just wanted to say this post has caused a huge spike in traffic to my language's website: a dizzying ~40 visitors per day up from ~0 haha!
So these are just static pages, not new entries for https://news.ycombinator.com/lists?
Alas, yes, at least for now. Seems like an LLM could be good at finding them though. A regex is probably too crude.
The old lesson from the Wizard of Oz experiment says that a regular expression probably isn't too crude, if you're willing to take the time to design it. Though you could probably get away with running a regex golf algorithm (e.g. https://nbviewer.org/url/norvig.com/ipython/xkcd1313.ipynb) over the list of matching titles, and the union of some list of non-matching-but-close titles (chosen to get good discrimination) with some list of way-off titles (to avoid overfitting). (You could treat the whole HN title database, other than the ones you've identified, as losers, but that risks hardcoding the absence of a post you accidentally missed, and would also take slightly longer – though Peter Norvig's first algorithm takes time linear in the number of losers, so it might not be too expensive. I don't know how expensive his improved versions are, given large lists of losers: https://nbviewer.org/url/norvig.com/ipython/xkcd1313-part2.i.... Better algorithms are surely available.)
That was going to be my suggestion as well.
My "Pith" programming language didn't make the cut
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32681150
Webpage using Pith instead of JavaScript to fetch HN Polls using the HN Search API
https://gabrielsroka.github.io/hnpolls_pith.html
Source
https://github.com/gabrielsroka/gabrielsroka.github.io/blob/...
Added now!
Thanks for putting these lists together. When Mint reaches 1.0 I'll use the same format to present it here.
Ah I missed the previous threads about your language, because they didn't follow the title convention I was searching for. I've put https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17161533 (the first one) in there now. It would be better if it just said "The Mint Programming Language" though (and I'm not above fudging that retroactively!)
Mint – language created for writing single-page applications - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36914888 - July 2023 (11 comments)
Mint: A programming language for writing single page applications - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22246615 - Feb 2020 (194 comments)
Mint-lang: a language for the front-end web - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17161533 - May 2018 (106 comments)
Thanks :)
I didn't make those threads, so the title choices were mine. I'll do a proper Show HN with 1.0 sometime, maybe with can switch it with that then.
*weren't
I've used Mint in one of my apps, I'm a fan! Looking forward to that 1.0 release whenever it happens.
That reminds me, I really should blog my design ideas for my spiritual successor to Python....
the headline made me think somebody else came up with my idea. I wanted to a create a language whose name was langlang. to understand how to parse it, that would be the equivalent as a name to C, and the equivalent to clang would be langlanglang.
I considered the shorter name lang, but lang already has a meaning and I thought then in that world langlang might confuse people as to the actual name of the language, whereas since langlanglanglang is clearly needless overkill in a name, langlang and langlanglang would provide just the right amount readability and reinforcement as to the actual name of langlang.
'The Lobster Programming Language (strlen.com)' is duplicated.
IIRC there are quite a few cases in there where the same language got more than one thread. That's fine as long as they're (a) interesting, and (b) a year or more apart! (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html)
What are these /thelang and /showlang?
Are these like permanent urls that we can use to filter posts?
This makes me thing about what other permanent urls/filters there are. Is there a list somewhere?
They're static lists that won't get updated unless we add to them manually. I'd love to make them auto-update (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46610744) but that might be too much to expect for now.
I feel like there’s an Advent of Code challenge lurking here.
Very useful! Thanks for the addition.
where can I check out the language?
Maybe someone will make one!
See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Programming_Languag...
I did a Show HN for a language called Tsonic yesterday, which is a variant of TypeScript (all tsonic is valid typescript) requiring stronger typing which compiles to x64/ARM native code via .Net/NativeAOT. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46604308
It didn't appear in Show HN at all. Perhaps because another user posted it as a regular topic just a few minutes earlier, which drops off very quickly (within minutes) - but I think the issue is wider.
For a while now, I've felt that the new topics stream requires you to promote the topic outside of HN to be seen on HN - sometimes by adding a "Discuss on HN" link in the blog, or on social networks etc. The problem is quite fundamental: the "Show" link gets a small fraction of clicks. The "Show New" (two clicks away) probably gets tinier, miniscule fraction of clicks. The intersection of people who are interested in the project and those who have clicked "Show New" would be very nearly null. So upvotes will have to come from outside.
That's great! It didn't make the /show page because some of the upvotes were dropped by our software. We can re-up it, but first can you add some text to the post, explaining the background and what's different about it? If you look at what I told the Lax guys earlier (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46608577), that might give some ideas.
Also, if you're ok with changing the title to "Show HN: The Tsonic Programming Language" then I could add it to https://news.ycombinator.com/showlang :)
I did a Show HN for the language "hyTags" yesterday, too. It's a language embedded in HTML, using tags as syntax. It quickly dropped of the new page:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46599403
Could you add that too to showlang?
Sure! But I tried to restrict it to threads that got (interesting) comments, and there aren't any yet in that one. So let's put it in the SCP* as well :)
* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998308
Thanks dang!
Hi dang, done. Thank you!
Your feedback on the other thread was very helpful - just the right thing to add, irrespective of HN visibility.
The MoonBit Programming Language - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37174619 -Aug 19, 2023 (152 comments)
As with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46618769, that one didn't make it into the list because the title didn't fit the convention. I've added it now. It would be better if it just said "The MoonBit Programming Language" though!
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