In 20th century civil wars (e.g. the Spanish Civil war), telegraph and phone exchanges were strategically important targets. In a hypothetical U.S. civil war, one wonders how successful the belligerents would be in seizing, controlling, or destroying means of communication (data centers, undersea cable termination points, cell towers, microwave towers).
Tech workers, like all workers, would have to make difficult decisions about their allegiances. Let's hope this can be avoided.
As an outsider I have a question - do you actually feel that protest after ICE killing an american citizen would be driven by somebody paying for it, instead of being a civic movement?
do you actually feel that protest after ICE killing an american citizen is driven by somebody paying foe it?
In my opinion there is almost always money involved. People need incentives to put their lives and their families lives at risk when they would otherwise not be involved living multiple states away and would otherwise not be impacted such as by ICE in this case. There will be exceptions but I suspect those are a minority that may involve mental health, loneliness, attention seeking, virtue-signalling, roped in by emotion triggering videos, etc... I suspect one motivation would be to radicalize people when their paid rioters are told to do things that could risk an agent using bad judgement and someone gets hurt.
Statistically, if you put enough stupid people into enough spaces with hateful rhetoric being taught consistently, make them immune to consequences, and reward them when they do things that push towards the civil war you want to have, then eventually either you will completely oppress your country or you will have a civil war.
Statistically, if you put enough stupid people into enough spaces with hateful rhetoric being taught consistently, make them immune to consequences, and reward them when they do things that push towards the civil war you want to have, then eventually either you will completely oppress your country or you will have a civil war.
I could not have said it better myself. I still think it would not become a national level civil war but Minnesota could get messy. Plenty of other states would never let things escalate to this level. All of this could have been avoided by having local law enforcement or worst case the national guard get things under control. Minnesota have conflicting incentives delegate counts driving their bad judgement in addition to their governor being in the hot seat at the moment requiring a distraction.
Or from a movie some of us have seen, someone will do something stupid [1].
I think you've misunderstood the situation (and the article). Having the national guard get things under control means pitting them against ICE and likely actually triggering a civil war.
The problem is not Minnesotans or paid protestors rioting, the problem is a hostile occupying force is actively targeting Minnesotans and Walz is trying to balance protecting his constituents with not escalating the situation.
I'm not sure what you mean by "Minnesota have conflicting incentives delegate counts driving their bad judgement" or why you think its bad judgement to protest the murder of a community member.
But I dont disagree that as tensions ratchet up eventually someone will do something stupid, and ICE will threaten enough people that it sets off a conflict between ICE and the local law enforcement/national guard.
Having the national guard get things under control means pitting them against ICE and likely actually triggering a civil war.
No, used correctly the police and national guard would round up the rioters. The governor is seeing it the other way around because he is in a lot of trouble with the federal government at the moment for unrelated issues. I never base things strictly on articles as the authors are often misinformed and wish to control narratives. The governor not only wants the riots he is actively promoting fights between his citizens and ICE.
Oooh! I know this one! Just follow the money. All the way back to the Department of Homeland Security. You’ll find the paymasters and your answers there.
I do but I would never post them in a place that support rioters and violence. Those that are leading the violence would have the videos flagged and taken down. I want the world to see the crazy that is unfolding. They are currently being discussed by influencers that have millions of subs.
It could be anyone in the current admin as they stand to benefit by invoking the insurrection act as has been done many times before be previous presidents. They could then press the "That was easy" button.
In 20th century civil wars (e.g. the Spanish Civil war), telegraph and phone exchanges were strategically important targets. In a hypothetical U.S. civil war, one wonders how successful the belligerents would be in seizing, controlling, or destroying means of communication (data centers, undersea cable termination points, cell towers, microwave towers).
Tech workers, like all workers, would have to make difficult decisions about their allegiances. Let's hope this can be avoided.
I was curious if they meant literally Minnesota or what’s happening there is similar to our simulations. It’s the latter.
“While the location and sequence differ, the core danger we identified is now emerging“
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As an outsider I have a question - do you actually feel that protest after ICE killing an american citizen would be driven by somebody paying for it, instead of being a civic movement?
do you actually feel that protest after ICE killing an american citizen is driven by somebody paying foe it?
In my opinion there is almost always money involved. People need incentives to put their lives and their families lives at risk when they would otherwise not be involved living multiple states away and would otherwise not be impacted such as by ICE in this case. There will be exceptions but I suspect those are a minority that may involve mental health, loneliness, attention seeking, virtue-signalling, roped in by emotion triggering videos, etc... I suspect one motivation would be to radicalize people when their paid rioters are told to do things that could risk an agent using bad judgement and someone gets hurt.
Damn, that's really misinformed. I certainly didn't get paid for getting pepper sprayed, or any of the other times that I've been in the streets.
The reality is that a lot of us understand that if they come for our neighbors in the morning they will come for us at night.
What a bizarre picture of the world you express here.
It could also be a "happy accident".
Statistically, if you put enough stupid people into enough spaces with hateful rhetoric being taught consistently, make them immune to consequences, and reward them when they do things that push towards the civil war you want to have, then eventually either you will completely oppress your country or you will have a civil war.
Statistically, if you put enough stupid people into enough spaces with hateful rhetoric being taught consistently, make them immune to consequences, and reward them when they do things that push towards the civil war you want to have, then eventually either you will completely oppress your country or you will have a civil war.
I could not have said it better myself. I still think it would not become a national level civil war but Minnesota could get messy. Plenty of other states would never let things escalate to this level. All of this could have been avoided by having local law enforcement or worst case the national guard get things under control. Minnesota have conflicting incentives delegate counts driving their bad judgement in addition to their governor being in the hot seat at the moment requiring a distraction.
Or from a movie some of us have seen, someone will do something stupid [1].
[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnvTo8sLFJo
I think you've misunderstood the situation (and the article). Having the national guard get things under control means pitting them against ICE and likely actually triggering a civil war.
The problem is not Minnesotans or paid protestors rioting, the problem is a hostile occupying force is actively targeting Minnesotans and Walz is trying to balance protecting his constituents with not escalating the situation.
I'm not sure what you mean by "Minnesota have conflicting incentives delegate counts driving their bad judgement" or why you think its bad judgement to protest the murder of a community member.
But I dont disagree that as tensions ratchet up eventually someone will do something stupid, and ICE will threaten enough people that it sets off a conflict between ICE and the local law enforcement/national guard.
Having the national guard get things under control means pitting them against ICE and likely actually triggering a civil war.
No, used correctly the police and national guard would round up the rioters. The governor is seeing it the other way around because he is in a lot of trouble with the federal government at the moment for unrelated issues. I never base things strictly on articles as the authors are often misinformed and wish to control narratives. The governor not only wants the riots he is actively promoting fights between his citizens and ICE.
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Oooh! I know this one! Just follow the money. All the way back to the Department of Homeland Security. You’ll find the paymasters and your answers there.
Do you have any evidence that there paid rioters in MN?
I do but I would never post them in a place that support rioters and violence. Those that are leading the violence would have the videos flagged and taken down. I want the world to see the crazy that is unfolding. They are currently being discussed by influencers that have millions of subs.
> finding who is funding the paid rioters
prolly the FBI
It could be anyone in the current admin as they stand to benefit by invoking the insurrection act as has been done many times before be previous presidents. They could then press the "That was easy" button.