I would also encourage taking a critical look at the underlying investigation as it seems mostly LLM generated without a huge amount of manual due dilligence
I also submitted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47370954 because it was pointed out to me that a Reddit submission about the same story on r/linux had been taken down. If there was LLM content I suppose that might at least partially explain a moderator decision there... ?
No, the mods did not make a decision. It got flagged by an auto moderator bot, because of mass flagging. The mass flagging seems to be a brigade that happened on prior posts in that same subreddit discussing this topic of age verification. I don’t have any definite evidence, but it seems odd that a topic that is so relevant to that community would be flagged, so I assume it is a coordinated attack.
I’ve moderated on Reddit before - a mass report bot on r/linux specifically for age verification is too strangely niche. Also automod doesn’t remove flagged posts, unless it has been set up to do it.
It’s also very definitely ai generated, and makes several claims and implication. Users may have reported it as well.
I would hesitate to assume coordinated behavior at this stage.
Maybe it’s a dupe but I think it’s an important topic to discuss. And even if it is mostly LLM generated, that doesn’t mean it is completely invalid. Some of the major points around Meta’s lobbying, and Anthropic’s donations, are seemingly valid.
Age verification, while seemingly benign, creates a honeypot of data ripe for abuse. The devil's always in the implementation details, and history suggests these systems rarely remain narrowly focused on their initial purpose. Consider the chilling effect on anonymous speech and access to information, especially for vulnerable youth.
Which was previously the submitted url on this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47362528 (Reddit appears to have briefly removed the post, so then the HN submission was updated). So, dupe & merge?
This is effectively a duplicate of this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47362528
I would also encourage taking a critical look at the underlying investigation as it seems mostly LLM generated without a huge amount of manual due dilligence
Ah, sorry, I missed that. Comments moved thither now. Thanks!
I also submitted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47370954 because it was pointed out to me that a Reddit submission about the same story on r/linux had been taken down. If there was LLM content I suppose that might at least partially explain a moderator decision there... ?
No, the mods did not make a decision. It got flagged by an auto moderator bot, because of mass flagging. The mass flagging seems to be a brigade that happened on prior posts in that same subreddit discussing this topic of age verification. I don’t have any definite evidence, but it seems odd that a topic that is so relevant to that community would be flagged, so I assume it is a coordinated attack.
I’ve moderated on Reddit before - a mass report bot on r/linux specifically for age verification is too strangely niche. Also automod doesn’t remove flagged posts, unless it has been set up to do it.
It’s also very definitely ai generated, and makes several claims and implication. Users may have reported it as well.
I would hesitate to assume coordinated behavior at this stage.
Automod literally posted a message saying it removed it due to mass reporting of the post.
Thank you! Didn’t know that, and it changed my position
Drop an email to the mods about both points! They can fix the dupe and may have an interest in the LLM point as well.
Maybe it’s a dupe but I think it’s an important topic to discuss. And even if it is mostly LLM generated, that doesn’t mean it is completely invalid. Some of the major points around Meta’s lobbying, and Anthropic’s donations, are seemingly valid.
Age verification, while seemingly benign, creates a honeypot of data ripe for abuse. The devil's always in the implementation details, and history suggests these systems rarely remain narrowly focused on their initial purpose. Consider the chilling effect on anonymous speech and access to information, especially for vulnerable youth.
Url changed from https://lwn.net/Articles/1062779/, which points to this.
Which was previously the submitted url on this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47362528 (Reddit appears to have briefly removed the post, so then the HN submission was updated). So, dupe & merge?
Merged now. Sorry!