> The US accounts for more than 20% of global tissue consumption despite having only 4% of the world’s population. The average American uses 141 rolls of toilet paper per year, making them No 1 for No 2s globally, just ahead of Germans, each using an average of 134 rolls annually.
Those numbers sound insane to me. This is almost half a roll per day, for a single person?
Can any average american or german person comment on how this actually works? Do you wipe like 15 times per visit, or is it just a very high amount (folded?) of sheets per wipe?
It comes down to how a roll is calculated. See in the US 1 material roll is not the same as 1 computed roll. In the Toilet Paper isle you see products listing their 8 roles are equillivent to 36 rolls from the other guy. So when you use 1/16 of your roll, you are really using 1/2 a roll
The average is probably calculated as total toilet paper used / US population.
This doesn't mean than the average American uses that much paper. I believe it just means a lot of it is wasted (probably just thrown away without even using it) unsure why though
German here. What I understand is that we Germans use the folding technique instead of crumbling the paper. And we love our sweet 4 layered paper so everything is super soft down there.
I can say growing up the first years of my life in the GDR with literal recycled paper as toilet paper, that I wouldn’t go back to that.
But I see especially with kids etc that we overuse toilet paper. But I can only speak for my family. Toilet paper usage etc isn’t a dinner conversation topic.
Best janitor I've experienced would replace low rolls with new and then set the low roll on top of the dispenser. Of course, the dispenser was the correct shape to allow for that
Around here, public toilets have roll holders containing 2 rolls. 2nd is unreachable, but when the 1st is empty, it falls out and 2nd drops in its place. Janitors just fill the 2nd roll if missing.
I am hoping this is normal around the world and nobody throws away slightly used rolls.
A lotta highly processed foods combined with most people seeming to be unaware of the impact my friend FIBER has on your poop, in terms of both stool solidity and speed of evacuation! Seriously, if you spend a lot of time going #2, adding a fiber supplement will give you most of that time back!
Bidets need to become the norm. Canada's massive logging and mineral extraction industries have lead to significantly reduced tree-cover and (in some places) long term deforestation.
The Fraiser River Valley is one of the very most sustainable forests on the planet. The mineral extraction at Ft MacMurry has very little usable wood for lumber, and even less for paper, I believe that its a lot of manzinata that is used for OSB. I have not looked at this in a while, because my father studied forest management at UBC. Would you like for me to prove this with say 15~20 references?
My guess: to weaken Canada's economy, limit Canada's international standing, bankrupt the sovereign state, cause rise of populism and voters thereof, have its people overthrow the government, then absorb the former country as a state to extract its natural resources, to fulfill manifest destiny.
Other than the current tariff narrative, it's fairly standard CIA play when we look at what they did to Latin America already.
I am addressing directly why the Republicans want this, not why the current president wants this. Even if the current president changes, the Republicans will still pursue the annexation of Canada with financial interest.
This is a thought terminating cliche. This is just the latest move in a long term strategic effort to undermine Canada's sovereignty. Zoom out, and that in it of itself is part of an even broader strategic effort to reorganize alliances which built the world order.
Everywhere there are criticisms of Trump, his administration, and their goals, there is always this commentary which not only fails to serve as an accurate representation of present situations, but more importantly, it serves to distract from the chronology of events which led us here, blinding the broader conversation from creating inferences of what will happen next which stifles the conversation from its most natural next reply: What are they actually doing, and what do we do if it does not benefit us?
I believe in sovereign states well enough to have 100% respect for Canada-first policies as well as America-first in the US.
Things worked so well for so many decades with much lesser rebalancing, that the only explanation would be some serious defect arising that was not there until recent years or days.
This is just Trump's way of telling Americans, if they can't afford to pay way more going forward for everything into the foreseeable future, toilet paper is the least of their worries.
He doesn't have to detail it out loud, but there are plenty of good old American corncobs which have fallen into disuse for this purpose, and it wouldn't be nearly as unpleasant as it was in the outhouse days.
Except for those who may not be able to afford a rising water bill at some point :(
In the end it confirms his idea of "winning" amounts to shit on a stick.
"The US accounts for more than 20% of global tissue consumption despite having only 4% of the world’s population. The average American uses 141 rolls of toilet paper per year, making them No 1 for No 2s globally, just ahead of Germans, each using an average of 134 rolls annually."
I'm not sure if using a bidet would be better for the environment but maybe this is a blessing in disguise on the environmental front.
I'm also curious, is there any reporting on increases in Canadian prices as a result of their tariffs on American products or does that only go one way? I always read (especially in international papers like the Guardian) about Americans seeing price increases but I see very little reporting on price increases/decreases or changes in other countries.
Also maybe someone can remind me, in the past (before Trump 1 even) were there any tariffs on American products that anyone can point to? I see on the news channels discussion about how Canada has historically placed tariffs American dairy products. Did that result in higher prices in Canada? How did their economy handle the lack of American dairy imports at lower prices (if they were lower)?
> I'm also curious, is there any reporting on increases in Canadian prices as a result of their tariffs on American products or does that only go one way?
The current counter-tariffs haven't taken effect yet, but yes, various products saw price increases with the previous sets.
Though TBH, I personally saw more increases in prices from American tariffs on Chinese goods where American sellers couldn't be bothered to sell goods to Canada without first importing to the US and just tacked on a price increase for all buyers. To the best of my ability I've avoided those products/sellers.
I'm not sure how to discuss bidet problems without sounding gross.
I tried a bidet previously because people rave about them. But when trying them, there seems to be two problems. The water that hits you sprays around on impact. So that immediately-sullied water now has a bit of blast radius to it. I also can't see down there, so having done what certainly felt like a pretty thorough job bidet-ing, I would wipe and discover the job was not so thorough. So although you could potentially use a bidet to reduce your toilet paper usage, toilet paper itself allows you to actually check whether or not you got everything, which just seems impossible with a bidet alone. And if I only used the bidet, then what am I supposed to do to dry myself? It feels like TP needs to be in the mix at least a little bit.
Am I just using it wrong? Does a lifetime of using it give your brain a clearer sense of where the water has hit and what "clean" feels like.
Once you go bidet, you don't go back. There are lots of nice kits that you can install on your existing toilet too, making it super easy. [1] is a generic Amazon search. Electricity not required for most
Yes, Canadian dairy prices were always higher than US prices, probably by 10-20 percent or so. There's an internal quota system, and a prescribed allowable volume for imports with very high tariffs on imports above that prescribed limit. Canada did this to protect its dairy industry, and to ensure there's a level of self sufficiency to their food production.
Canada has the same issue in many industries, where the need/desire for Canadian firms to compete against US firms - even though Canada has a population roughly a tenth the size of the US - results in a handful of bloated monopolies/monopsonies that the Canadian population has to deal with.
For an alternative perspective you can look at the US healthcare system, where the US has a protectionist system that props up its healthcare industry (insurance, providers, pharma companies, etc) at the expense of its population, to the tune of about 2x what Canada spends per capita.
Canadians who live near the border will commonly hop over for some shopping and fill up their tank with cheap gas, while Americans try to fill their prescriptions from Canadian pharmacies and travel to Mexico for procedures they can't afford to get done in the US. It's all a matter of what the system is set up to do.
Got it, so really Canada has historically instituted protectionist policies to protect certain industries and ensure self-sufficiency for items deemed important to national security/national welfare and the result at least in part is consolidation into monopolistic entities in Canada.
I'm curious what options Canada has to break up these monopolies and lower prices with respect to their ongoing protectionist policies?
Honestly, most of the incentives aren't aligned with breaking them up or trying to lower prices. If the large corporate entities were broken up, they wouldn't have the scale to compete against their much larger American counterparts. They'd either get pushed out or bought up. And low prices aren't the goal for a company that is protected by government policies - they'll aim to maximize profits within the policy framework instead, and the framework itself does the job of preventing competition from smaller upstart rivals.
Think of the Canadian aircraft manufacturer Bombardier. Canada wants to keep a domestic aircraft manufacturer around so they have a backup in case of US shenanigans (like what just happened with the F-35) so the government ensures there's ongoing contracts for those domestic aircraft as well as subsidies for things like manufacturing plant expansion or modernization. But Canada's population only needs so many aircraft, so why would they waste government resources on a new upstart rival aircraft manufacturer? Bombardier knows this too, so why would they spend their own resources on R&D or modernization when they know they can get the government to pay for it instead? It's a feedback loop, and not necessarily a good one.
It really seems like Canada is in a tough spot economically. They don't have the scale to compete against, say, China or the United States but they want to protect domestic industries against foreign competition and so have enacted trade barriers and other protectionist policies like supporting Bombardier (or the dairy industry or whatever) even if it means higher prices for Canadiens and goes against free trade practices.
In my mind that makes a lot more sense as to why, at least in part, there is the ongoing trade dispute between the US and Canada (whether I agree or disagree with it and how it is handled would be a different matter). The US also seeks to in part protect domestic industries that are being outcompeted by China or face significant regulatory barriers (diary industry in Canada for example, other various exports to the EU, Chinese ban on American technology companies) and so we're winding up in a world where the US is now also putting the hammer down on protecting industries like the EU, China, and seemingly Canada does which is causing a lot of political conflict over trade and jobs.
It seems inevitable that as one or more countries put up trade barriers (EU, Canada, China being some large ones here) the US and others would eventually respond if they found that they were unable to compete on price due to government intervention.
The US also has significant agriculture subsidies. Most developed countries do.
In dairy, for example, if prices get "too low", the US directly buys excess supply to increase the price, makes direct payments to dairy farmers, and subsidizes feed (corn/soybeans) and farmers' insurance.
Most historical trade agreements between the US and friendly nations tolerated minor interventions and subsidies on both sides.
Trump is taking a completely different tact. His goal is not free trade or sustainable relationships. He recognizes the US is the stronger party in most of these negotiations, and wants to use that to extract concessions that explicitly favor the US, even if it strains and damages the economies of historical allies.
> Trump is taking a completely different tact. His goal is not free trade or sustainable relationships. He recognizes the US is the stronger party in most of these negotiations, and wants to use that to extract concessions that explicitly favor the US, even if it strains and damages the economies of historical allies.
I don't think that's even it. The end goal is humiliation of the other party. Trump would be pro-humiliation even if that didn't favour the US economically. (As it typically doesn't.)
Right, my understanding is that the US along with most developed countries provide agricultural subsidies and/or tariff agricultural products from other countries or provide other formal or informal trade barriers. Makes sense, in a way, as you need to keep your agricultural base if you have one. It seems logical that this could extend to other industries, car manufacturing, weapons/missiles, semiconductors, other various technologies. Healthcare. You get the picture.
But I think your comment about Trump is not quite nuanced enough and of course you have to include that the US is negotiating with other powerful parties like the EU and China so it's not really always the US negotiating with weaker parties. At the negotiating table I view each of those big 3 has having many cards to play, and both weaknesses and strengths that can be exploited.
When I say it's not nuanced enough what I mean is that, for example, American technology companies are simply banned from operating in China. In Europe, until I believe July or something American car exports were tariffed at a 10% rate, and then you have policies like the Online Streaming Act in Canada (I'm not exactly up to date on the current status but just recall it existing).
So while Trump's negotiating style is, arguably something to abhor, I think painting these engagements as simply a matter of Donald Trump isn't interested in free trade or sustainable relationships to be a bit off the mark. For example, you can't simultaneously claim that Donald Trump isn't interested in free trade while ignoring trade barriers put in place before he was even elected president. I'd also argue that in general most countries and people aren't actually interested in free trade and that it's more of a political tool, because that would require abandoning subsidies and protections and there are obviously very bad potential repercussions of doing so.
De Havilland is another Canadian aircraft manufacturer, and is expanding massively right now. But I suppose they serve a different, simpler market than Bombardier.
Kinda? Originally a Canadian subsidiary of a British company, privatized in the 80's, then sold to Boeing, then bought back by Bombardier with big financial support from the Ontario government, then sold off to a domestic buyer in a corporate restructuring. Their big commercial aviation product is an old Bombardier design.
To your point - Even as domestic "competition", the market is still separated by aircraft type.
And honestly, their history is a good example of why countries act in this way. When they were sold to Boeing, it seemed to be a way for Boeing to "grease the wheels" in order to land a big Air Canada contract. When Airbus got the contract instead, Boeing immediately put De Havilland up for sale and let the company languish until it was purchased by Ontario/Bombardier. Corporate histories can be interesting!
You only need electricity if you want heated water, I’d guess that a bidet comes with a tee fitting with a valve on the T side that goes in between the supply valve and toilet supply line, allowing the supply valve to provide water to both the toilet and bidet.
During the lockdowns, my local Catholic parish office indicated to me that they held some TP in reserve, in case any parishioners got desperate during the shortages. There were really problematic runs on items like that in every store in our area. Of course, if you had excess TP, it was also a good strategic donation, for the less fortunate.
I contemplated a bidet during the lockdowns, and some YouTubers were touting their convenience and comfort. But ultimately, I rent an apartment with a landlady, and there's no way a bidet could get installed and survive my lease agreement.
So I decided that a good compromise was to start buying wet wipes. I found the "Sensitive" Huggies to be fairly good. Unscented and gentle. There's also "Honest" brand at Target, marketed to adults. Supposedly flushable. I don't flush them.
It's been working out so well that I carry around the wet wipes in my pocket, everywhere I go. They have saved me in many situations in many public restrooms. And they can also clean up my hands if I happen to get muddy or gritty while I'm out and about.
A) Don't flush your wet wipes please. They go in the trash bin.
B) They make bidets that are trivial to install/remove. I have one that connects inline with the water lines and it took like 4 minutes to install. But you can also get a portable one. They range from squirt bottle for your bum to fancy battery powered devices with USB-c charging.
As someone on the border, the tariffs do screw over individual folks on both sides of it.
Canadian grocery prices are awfully high and they've been known for various price-fixing scandals (the Loblaws bread-fixing apology gift cards come to mind) so there's often a lot of Canadian Walmart/Sams Club/Local Grocery shoppers.
One of the odd things is that Americans had it better coming back to the US from Canada after a day out shopping - we could bring back $800, but the Canadians going home could only bring back $50 or so, unless they were out for more than 48 hours then got $800. US Customs was also hilariously lax on actually enforcing things ("anything to declare?" "ah, I spent $200 at IKEA" gets a handwave) compared to the Canadians that'll fine-tooth comb the vehicle to pull every penny of duty they can coming home to Canada.
I'm simultaneously surprised and not surprised that this exists (we buy washable paper towels and beeswax items and similar for reusability) but even I think that's even a bridge too far. More power to anyone who is using those products though.
I've personally always found US customs easy to deal with for purchased products. When we came back from France last year with around a case of wine my wife was worried and I'm like what is there to worry about? we're not smuggling anything and the worst case is we just pay a duty on the wine of a $1 or $2. You just declare it and if duties are applicable you just pay them. It always seemed to me they were really there to just keep people from doing crazy things or outright breaking import laws. Similar to your experience, coming back from Toronto with a few purchased items, US customs just did not care at all.
Canadian duty is insane on some items. When I was a pimply-faced youth at the Duty Free, the going rate we used to tell people was "a dollar an ounce".
I saw some spirits that were quoted at $40-80+ a bottle, depending on a bunch of factors, when you go over the relatively small limit. Bringing home a case of Kentucky sipping burbon to Toronto will hurt you right in the wallet a few times over.
Weird that this is a story about toilet paper yet the elephant in the room is the fact that the US imports most of its foreign oil from Canada (yes that’s right - not the Middle East).
I wonder if Trump even cares - he's now a lame duck president trying to make a legacy for himself by building ballrooms and putting his name on everything (or tearing it down in a huff if not allowed to - Kennedy building).
Insiders say he's bored of being president, bored of his Iran war, and has no interest in going out stumping for others in the midterms since there is nothing in it for himself.
The only enjoyment he's got left is trying to get a rise out of the press and get some adulation from his base with playground antics like his "Lake America".
At this point it's not just that he started out stupid (even his own mother said so), but that he's pretty seriously suffering from dementia - I'm sure any nursing home staff recognize the symptoms.
Which is just going to make it more expensive to mail rolls to your congressmen. Congressmen and diapers should be changed often and for the same reason.
You must mean switch to bamboo based products from wood based paper. Way more sustainable, and not much more expensive, but as more switch, although it should become cheaper...
The person in the video was asking for higher pay. "Pay us enough to live". Not very communist of them. Did you see something different? It's hard to know with all the AI generated fakes out there, so I understand if you were misled.
Sure, for an ideal smooth and cohesive movement with a clean exit, maybe. But I bet you’re more often carpet bombing sloppy joe’s and wading through the trenches of swamp ass
So, I've only used a bidet a few times while on holiday, and I did prefer it to just TP... but I don't understand how I could possibly dry that much water with a single square of tissue-thin toilet paper - paper that is specifically designed to come apart when wet?!
As for the bidet, the ones I've used in Japan make me wipe more, again, because it's all wet back there, and even the ones with the air dryers don't seem to get the job done.
> The US accounts for more than 20% of global tissue consumption despite having only 4% of the world’s population. The average American uses 141 rolls of toilet paper per year, making them No 1 for No 2s globally, just ahead of Germans, each using an average of 134 rolls annually.
Wastefulness is a national pastime.
Those numbers sound insane to me. This is almost half a roll per day, for a single person?
Can any average american or german person comment on how this actually works? Do you wipe like 15 times per visit, or is it just a very high amount (folded?) of sheets per wipe?
They assume a roll ways 90g, and just compute from that. It's a silly measurement that means nothing.
That's only about 50% more than Japan uses, and that's a country that's the most famous user of bidets.
It comes down to how a roll is calculated. See in the US 1 material roll is not the same as 1 computed roll. In the Toilet Paper isle you see products listing their 8 roles are equillivent to 36 rolls from the other guy. So when you use 1/16 of your roll, you are really using 1/2 a roll
The average is probably calculated as total toilet paper used / US population.
This doesn't mean than the average American uses that much paper. I believe it just means a lot of it is wasted (probably just thrown away without even using it) unsure why though
If TP gets wet, even slightly, it's unusable. Since it's designed to disintegrate upon contact with water.
German here. What I understand is that we Germans use the folding technique instead of crumbling the paper. And we love our sweet 4 layered paper so everything is super soft down there. I can say growing up the first years of my life in the GDR with literal recycled paper as toilet paper, that I wouldn’t go back to that. But I see especially with kids etc that we overuse toilet paper. But I can only speak for my family. Toilet paper usage etc isn’t a dinner conversation topic.
I just spent fifteen minutes to corroborate the numbers for Germany, and they appear to be a vague guess by Statista.
There don't appear to be any reliable stats or studies, which I find surprising; the few studies I could find had people use way less tp, eg https://www.radiohamburg.de/aktuelles/hamburg/Wie-scht-Hambu...
So I'm inclined to believe the 134 is hogwash; no idea if the numbers for the US are more reliable.
Some people unroll huge wads of paper.
Janitor comes around after business hours and changes any/every roll that isn't damn near full.
Best janitor I've experienced would replace low rolls with new and then set the low roll on top of the dispenser. Of course, the dispenser was the correct shape to allow for that
Around here, public toilets have roll holders containing 2 rolls. 2nd is unreachable, but when the 1st is empty, it falls out and 2nd drops in its place. Janitors just fill the 2nd roll if missing.
I am hoping this is normal around the world and nobody throws away slightly used rolls.
I'd say poor diet and obesity result in greater toilet paper use. But we can also expect American to use more than India, for stereotypical reasons.
High fiber is supposed to be a good diet, and leads to larger/looser bowel movements.
Are the rolls the same sizes for all countries? Both in the number of sheets and in the amount of fiber used.
Time to install some bidets.
Way ahead of you. I love my bidet. I highly recommend it.
Seems like the US has some really sticky shit problems going on, lol.
A lotta highly processed foods combined with most people seeming to be unaware of the impact my friend FIBER has on your poop, in terms of both stool solidity and speed of evacuation! Seriously, if you spend a lot of time going #2, adding a fiber supplement will give you most of that time back!
Bidets need to become the norm. Canada's massive logging and mineral extraction industries have lead to significantly reduced tree-cover and (in some places) long term deforestation.
Not sure why the down votes, having even just a simple bidet sprayer attachment is strictly better than toilet paper. It's not even close.
Moving from the east to west recently the rarity of and aversion to bidets is one of the strangest things to see in the western world.
Got one at home now. Rarely buy paper any more. And you're cleaner down there.
Don't users still need to dry off with paper? (I do, am I using it wrong?)
Many have a fan option for drying.
Mine does, doesn't do much
The Fraiser River Valley is one of the very most sustainable forests on the planet. The mineral extraction at Ft MacMurry has very little usable wood for lumber, and even less for paper, I believe that its a lot of manzinata that is used for OSB. I have not looked at this in a while, because my father studied forest management at UBC. Would you like for me to prove this with say 15~20 references?
Yep
Why did Republicans pick a fight with Canada?
Same energy as a 13-year-old boy bullying his little brother just because of his own hormone-driven insecurity.
My guess: to weaken Canada's economy, limit Canada's international standing, bankrupt the sovereign state, cause rise of populism and voters thereof, have its people overthrow the government, then absorb the former country as a state to extract its natural resources, to fulfill manifest destiny.
Other than the current tariff narrative, it's fairly standard CIA play when we look at what they did to Latin America already.
You are overthinking this.
Donald Trump wants to make the USA bigger. It will put him in the history books. He also wants a lot of chaos so he can be bribed to stop(he won’t).
There is no master plan, just greed.
I am addressing directly why the Republicans want this, not why the current president wants this. Even if the current president changes, the Republicans will still pursue the annexation of Canada with financial interest.
In its current incarnation, Republicans simply want whatever Trump wants at the moment
> There is no master plan, just greed.
This is a thought terminating cliche. This is just the latest move in a long term strategic effort to undermine Canada's sovereignty. Zoom out, and that in it of itself is part of an even broader strategic effort to reorganize alliances which built the world order.
Everywhere there are criticisms of Trump, his administration, and their goals, there is always this commentary which not only fails to serve as an accurate representation of present situations, but more importantly, it serves to distract from the chronology of events which led us here, blinding the broader conversation from creating inferences of what will happen next which stifles the conversation from its most natural next reply: What are they actually doing, and what do we do if it does not benefit us?
You are underthinking this.
Canadians may be nice but we are also petty and proud. It’s hard for us to win against a big bully, but we won’t be pushed around either.
Everyone is going to lose here.
>Why did Republicans pick a fight with Canada?
>Everyone is going to lose here.
I believe in sovereign states well enough to have 100% respect for Canada-first policies as well as America-first in the US.
Things worked so well for so many decades with much lesser rebalancing, that the only explanation would be some serious defect arising that was not there until recent years or days.
This is just Trump's way of telling Americans, if they can't afford to pay way more going forward for everything into the foreseeable future, toilet paper is the least of their worries.
He doesn't have to detail it out loud, but there are plenty of good old American corncobs which have fallen into disuse for this purpose, and it wouldn't be nearly as unpleasant as it was in the outhouse days.
Except for those who may not be able to afford a rising water bill at some point :(
In the end it confirms his idea of "winning" amounts to shit on a stick.
Trump can't win anywhere else, so he's trying for a win here.
Let's hope victory against Canada looks better than victory against Iran else we'll be paying $10/roll for toilet paper as well as $4/gal at the pump.
I think it’s fairly well established that Trump treats trade as a zero sum, single play, game.
China is the long term winner here.
That's okay, I still have tons left over from COVID.
I hope this is comedy
Time to become a bidet exporter
Missed opportunity for Biden to push (!) for mass bidet adoption.
MASA: make America shitty again?
Buy a bidet!
I thought this was a fun tidbit:
I'm not sure if using a bidet would be better for the environment but maybe this is a blessing in disguise on the environmental front.I'm also curious, is there any reporting on increases in Canadian prices as a result of their tariffs on American products or does that only go one way? I always read (especially in international papers like the Guardian) about Americans seeing price increases but I see very little reporting on price increases/decreases or changes in other countries.
Also maybe someone can remind me, in the past (before Trump 1 even) were there any tariffs on American products that anyone can point to? I see on the news channels discussion about how Canada has historically placed tariffs American dairy products. Did that result in higher prices in Canada? How did their economy handle the lack of American dairy imports at lower prices (if they were lower)?
> I'm also curious, is there any reporting on increases in Canadian prices as a result of their tariffs on American products or does that only go one way?
The current counter-tariffs haven't taken effect yet, but yes, various products saw price increases with the previous sets.
Though TBH, I personally saw more increases in prices from American tariffs on Chinese goods where American sellers couldn't be bothered to sell goods to Canada without first importing to the US and just tacked on a price increase for all buyers. To the best of my ability I've avoided those products/sellers.
I'm not sure how to discuss bidet problems without sounding gross.
I tried a bidet previously because people rave about them. But when trying them, there seems to be two problems. The water that hits you sprays around on impact. So that immediately-sullied water now has a bit of blast radius to it. I also can't see down there, so having done what certainly felt like a pretty thorough job bidet-ing, I would wipe and discover the job was not so thorough. So although you could potentially use a bidet to reduce your toilet paper usage, toilet paper itself allows you to actually check whether or not you got everything, which just seems impossible with a bidet alone. And if I only used the bidet, then what am I supposed to do to dry myself? It feels like TP needs to be in the mix at least a little bit.
Am I just using it wrong? Does a lifetime of using it give your brain a clearer sense of where the water has hit and what "clean" feels like.
The bidet takes care of most of the cleaning and then you use TP to check and dry off.
The main benefit is those times you'll otherwise go through half a roll (also means you don't rub through the skin).
You still use TP, you can just use a lot less and you end up cleaner than with TP alone as a bonus.
Nothing you have ever thought or said in your life is more disgusting than the idiot who is causing this problem in the first place.
Once you go bidet, you don't go back. There are lots of nice kits that you can install on your existing toilet too, making it super easy. [1] is a generic Amazon search. Electricity not required for most
We use so much less tp since we got one.
[1] https://www.amazon.com/s?k=bidet+kit
Yes, Canadian dairy prices were always higher than US prices, probably by 10-20 percent or so. There's an internal quota system, and a prescribed allowable volume for imports with very high tariffs on imports above that prescribed limit. Canada did this to protect its dairy industry, and to ensure there's a level of self sufficiency to their food production.
Canada has the same issue in many industries, where the need/desire for Canadian firms to compete against US firms - even though Canada has a population roughly a tenth the size of the US - results in a handful of bloated monopolies/monopsonies that the Canadian population has to deal with.
For an alternative perspective you can look at the US healthcare system, where the US has a protectionist system that props up its healthcare industry (insurance, providers, pharma companies, etc) at the expense of its population, to the tune of about 2x what Canada spends per capita.
Canadians who live near the border will commonly hop over for some shopping and fill up their tank with cheap gas, while Americans try to fill their prescriptions from Canadian pharmacies and travel to Mexico for procedures they can't afford to get done in the US. It's all a matter of what the system is set up to do.
Got it, so really Canada has historically instituted protectionist policies to protect certain industries and ensure self-sufficiency for items deemed important to national security/national welfare and the result at least in part is consolidation into monopolistic entities in Canada.
I'm curious what options Canada has to break up these monopolies and lower prices with respect to their ongoing protectionist policies?
Honestly, most of the incentives aren't aligned with breaking them up or trying to lower prices. If the large corporate entities were broken up, they wouldn't have the scale to compete against their much larger American counterparts. They'd either get pushed out or bought up. And low prices aren't the goal for a company that is protected by government policies - they'll aim to maximize profits within the policy framework instead, and the framework itself does the job of preventing competition from smaller upstart rivals.
Think of the Canadian aircraft manufacturer Bombardier. Canada wants to keep a domestic aircraft manufacturer around so they have a backup in case of US shenanigans (like what just happened with the F-35) so the government ensures there's ongoing contracts for those domestic aircraft as well as subsidies for things like manufacturing plant expansion or modernization. But Canada's population only needs so many aircraft, so why would they waste government resources on a new upstart rival aircraft manufacturer? Bombardier knows this too, so why would they spend their own resources on R&D or modernization when they know they can get the government to pay for it instead? It's a feedback loop, and not necessarily a good one.
Thanks - informative comment.
It really seems like Canada is in a tough spot economically. They don't have the scale to compete against, say, China or the United States but they want to protect domestic industries against foreign competition and so have enacted trade barriers and other protectionist policies like supporting Bombardier (or the dairy industry or whatever) even if it means higher prices for Canadiens and goes against free trade practices.
In my mind that makes a lot more sense as to why, at least in part, there is the ongoing trade dispute between the US and Canada (whether I agree or disagree with it and how it is handled would be a different matter). The US also seeks to in part protect domestic industries that are being outcompeted by China or face significant regulatory barriers (diary industry in Canada for example, other various exports to the EU, Chinese ban on American technology companies) and so we're winding up in a world where the US is now also putting the hammer down on protecting industries like the EU, China, and seemingly Canada does which is causing a lot of political conflict over trade and jobs.
It seems inevitable that as one or more countries put up trade barriers (EU, Canada, China being some large ones here) the US and others would eventually respond if they found that they were unable to compete on price due to government intervention.
The US also has significant agriculture subsidies. Most developed countries do.
In dairy, for example, if prices get "too low", the US directly buys excess supply to increase the price, makes direct payments to dairy farmers, and subsidizes feed (corn/soybeans) and farmers' insurance.
Most historical trade agreements between the US and friendly nations tolerated minor interventions and subsidies on both sides.
Trump is taking a completely different tact. His goal is not free trade or sustainable relationships. He recognizes the US is the stronger party in most of these negotiations, and wants to use that to extract concessions that explicitly favor the US, even if it strains and damages the economies of historical allies.
> Trump is taking a completely different tact. His goal is not free trade or sustainable relationships. He recognizes the US is the stronger party in most of these negotiations, and wants to use that to extract concessions that explicitly favor the US, even if it strains and damages the economies of historical allies.
I don't think that's even it. The end goal is humiliation of the other party. Trump would be pro-humiliation even if that didn't favour the US economically. (As it typically doesn't.)
Right, my understanding is that the US along with most developed countries provide agricultural subsidies and/or tariff agricultural products from other countries or provide other formal or informal trade barriers. Makes sense, in a way, as you need to keep your agricultural base if you have one. It seems logical that this could extend to other industries, car manufacturing, weapons/missiles, semiconductors, other various technologies. Healthcare. You get the picture.
But I think your comment about Trump is not quite nuanced enough and of course you have to include that the US is negotiating with other powerful parties like the EU and China so it's not really always the US negotiating with weaker parties. At the negotiating table I view each of those big 3 has having many cards to play, and both weaknesses and strengths that can be exploited.
When I say it's not nuanced enough what I mean is that, for example, American technology companies are simply banned from operating in China. In Europe, until I believe July or something American car exports were tariffed at a 10% rate, and then you have policies like the Online Streaming Act in Canada (I'm not exactly up to date on the current status but just recall it existing).
So while Trump's negotiating style is, arguably something to abhor, I think painting these engagements as simply a matter of Donald Trump isn't interested in free trade or sustainable relationships to be a bit off the mark. For example, you can't simultaneously claim that Donald Trump isn't interested in free trade while ignoring trade barriers put in place before he was even elected president. I'd also argue that in general most countries and people aren't actually interested in free trade and that it's more of a political tool, because that would require abandoning subsidies and protections and there are obviously very bad potential repercussions of doing so.
De Havilland is another Canadian aircraft manufacturer, and is expanding massively right now. But I suppose they serve a different, simpler market than Bombardier.
Kinda? Originally a Canadian subsidiary of a British company, privatized in the 80's, then sold to Boeing, then bought back by Bombardier with big financial support from the Ontario government, then sold off to a domestic buyer in a corporate restructuring. Their big commercial aviation product is an old Bombardier design.
To your point - Even as domestic "competition", the market is still separated by aircraft type.
And honestly, their history is a good example of why countries act in this way. When they were sold to Boeing, it seemed to be a way for Boeing to "grease the wheels" in order to land a big Air Canada contract. When Airbus got the contract instead, Boeing immediately put De Havilland up for sale and let the company languish until it was purchased by Ontario/Bombardier. Corporate histories can be interesting!
Unfortunately I don't have electrical in my toilet closet in my master bath. I'd totally do it though.
Don't need a heated bidet. We get -40C days here and I'll still take the ice-laser to the behind over TP.
I have two bidets, neither use electricity. Also they fit on existing toilets. Just search bidet kit.
They have battery operated ones! Maybe there's still an option for you there.
You only need electricity if you want heated water, I’d guess that a bidet comes with a tee fitting with a valve on the T side that goes in between the supply valve and toilet supply line, allowing the supply valve to provide water to both the toilet and bidet.
During the lockdowns, my local Catholic parish office indicated to me that they held some TP in reserve, in case any parishioners got desperate during the shortages. There were really problematic runs on items like that in every store in our area. Of course, if you had excess TP, it was also a good strategic donation, for the less fortunate.
I contemplated a bidet during the lockdowns, and some YouTubers were touting their convenience and comfort. But ultimately, I rent an apartment with a landlady, and there's no way a bidet could get installed and survive my lease agreement.
So I decided that a good compromise was to start buying wet wipes. I found the "Sensitive" Huggies to be fairly good. Unscented and gentle. There's also "Honest" brand at Target, marketed to adults. Supposedly flushable. I don't flush them.
It's been working out so well that I carry around the wet wipes in my pocket, everywhere I go. They have saved me in many situations in many public restrooms. And they can also clean up my hands if I happen to get muddy or gritty while I'm out and about.
A) Don't flush your wet wipes please. They go in the trash bin.
B) They make bidets that are trivial to install/remove. I have one that connects inline with the water lines and it took like 4 minutes to install. But you can also get a portable one. They range from squirt bottle for your bum to fancy battery powered devices with USB-c charging.
And if you really wanted... buy washable toilet paper towels. https://www.marleysmonsters.com/collections/toilet-unpaper-a...
As someone on the border, the tariffs do screw over individual folks on both sides of it.
Canadian grocery prices are awfully high and they've been known for various price-fixing scandals (the Loblaws bread-fixing apology gift cards come to mind) so there's often a lot of Canadian Walmart/Sams Club/Local Grocery shoppers.
One of the odd things is that Americans had it better coming back to the US from Canada after a day out shopping - we could bring back $800, but the Canadians going home could only bring back $50 or so, unless they were out for more than 48 hours then got $800. US Customs was also hilariously lax on actually enforcing things ("anything to declare?" "ah, I spent $200 at IKEA" gets a handwave) compared to the Canadians that'll fine-tooth comb the vehicle to pull every penny of duty they can coming home to Canada.
> And if you really wanted... buy washable toilet paper towels. https://www.marleysmonsters.com/collections/toilet-unpaper-a...
I'm simultaneously surprised and not surprised that this exists (we buy washable paper towels and beeswax items and similar for reusability) but even I think that's even a bridge too far. More power to anyone who is using those products though.
I've personally always found US customs easy to deal with for purchased products. When we came back from France last year with around a case of wine my wife was worried and I'm like what is there to worry about? we're not smuggling anything and the worst case is we just pay a duty on the wine of a $1 or $2. You just declare it and if duties are applicable you just pay them. It always seemed to me they were really there to just keep people from doing crazy things or outright breaking import laws. Similar to your experience, coming back from Toronto with a few purchased items, US customs just did not care at all.
Washable cloth towels work just fine, if not in a public restroom.
Canadian duty is insane on some items. When I was a pimply-faced youth at the Duty Free, the going rate we used to tell people was "a dollar an ounce".
I saw some spirits that were quoted at $40-80+ a bottle, depending on a bunch of factors, when you go over the relatively small limit. Bringing home a case of Kentucky sipping burbon to Toronto will hurt you right in the wallet a few times over.
Weird that this is a story about toilet paper yet the elephant in the room is the fact that the US imports most of its foreign oil from Canada (yes that’s right - not the Middle East).
All this is making the current administration less popular with no benefit. This is what you get when you hire a guy who has no brains.
I wonder if Trump even cares - he's now a lame duck president trying to make a legacy for himself by building ballrooms and putting his name on everything (or tearing it down in a huff if not allowed to - Kennedy building).
Insiders say he's bored of being president, bored of his Iran war, and has no interest in going out stumping for others in the midterms since there is nothing in it for himself.
The only enjoyment he's got left is trying to get a rise out of the press and get some adulation from his base with playground antics like his "Lake America".
At this point it's not just that he started out stupid (even his own mother said so), but that he's pretty seriously suffering from dementia - I'm sure any nursing home staff recognize the symptoms.
Which is just going to make it more expensive to mail rolls to your congressmen. Congressmen and diapers should be changed often and for the same reason.
Maybe this will help people switch over from TP to bamboo. Not perfect but much more sustainable than cutting trees. We switched years ago.
Edit: I mixed up my words originally -- switch _from_ wood-based TP to bamboo is what I meant
You must mean switch to bamboo based products from wood based paper. Way more sustainable, and not much more expensive, but as more switch, although it should become cheaper...
You're right. thanks. I was typing too fast and hit send too quick.
I should use AI to write my HN comments and avoid typos :p
Or maybe the price increase is related to the fact that a communist burned down a massive warehouse storing paper products back in April.
Wiki cites https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/west/2026/04/08/864876... which reads: "loss of the warehouse could impact 3% of sales [for Kimberley-Clark] in the West Coast region", which seems like a long way away from what's being discussed.
Also even though the fire was in Ontario CA, it was Ontario California not Ontario Canada.
The person in the video was asking for higher pay. "Pay us enough to live". Not very communist of them. Did you see something different? It's hard to know with all the AI generated fakes out there, so I understand if you were misled.
Anti-capitalist = communist now? News to me.
That's unfortunate, considering the recent uprise in contaminated foods, which give you the shits.
OTOH, upgrade to a TOTO, or other 'smart' toilet. Need less paper that way.
https://www.consumerreports.org/home-garden/toilets/best-sma...
You don't even need to shell out for one of those (though I'm sure they're nice). Bidet attachments work really well. If you have a 3D printer, you can try using a bidet very easily: https://www.printables.com/model/739924-bidet-from-a-pet-bot...
I use the 3D-printed one for travel (I'd gladly pay extra for hotels that have bidets) and outdoor use.
Using a bidet is such an easy life upgrade for anyone relying on TP.
Lol. I wanted to ask how you connect that thing to the waterpipes, before having had a look.
I think it could use something more, like a lever/handle/button at the top, and a C02-cartridge. Or pump.
Like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soda_siphon
OTOH, upgrade to a TOTO, or other 'smart' toilet. Need less paper that way.
My experience with these has been that I use more paper, because I always feel "wet" afterward.
Whereas with a good, solid, no-nonsense beef bomb, I can skimp a little as long as there's a good pinch at the end.
Sure, for an ideal smooth and cohesive movement with a clean exit, maybe. But I bet you’re more often carpet bombing sloppy joe’s and wading through the trenches of swamp ass
you're not wiping when you shit?!
after a bidet you can dry with one square
So, I've only used a bidet a few times while on holiday, and I did prefer it to just TP... but I don't understand how I could possibly dry that much water with a single square of tissue-thin toilet paper - paper that is specifically designed to come apart when wet?!
I wrote "skimp," not "skip."
As for the bidet, the ones I've used in Japan make me wipe more, again, because it's all wet back there, and even the ones with the air dryers don't seem to get the job done.
Who knew destroying the federal government would have knock-on consequences
This could get messy
This is Trump's fault. Again.
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I might need to make a run to Costco and stock up on some shit tickets.
finally my poor chapped ass can catch a break
Guess it's back to using my cat
Today’s America/Trump bashing HN group therapy session brought to you by Canada and toilet paper.
Stock up on toilet paper before the price goes through the roof !!!!!
Get enough for a year for a family.
400 rolls would be a good start.
Act now and save money.