> ... an Italy-based entity that supplies specialized digital architecture, tools, and services for Antifa cells and other violent far-left extremists ...
> Currently we face three major types of terror groups:
> • Narcoterrorists and Transnational Gangs
> • Legacy Islamist Terrorists
> • Violent Left-Wing Extremists, including Anarchists and Anti-Fascist
It's wild that we've hit a point where the existence of Right-Wing Extremists is simply denied.
From 2020:
> First, right-wing attacks and plots accounted for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994. In particular, they made up a large percentage of incidents in the 1990s and 2010s. Second, the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown substantially during the past six years.
Interesting how Jewish terrorists aren't mentioned, even though Israel has a long and storied history of engaging in terrorism. I guess it's such a legacy that it's not even brought up anymore?
Yes, anyone who has been paying attention knows that this administration has been designating people who disagree with them politically or socially, or in some cases groups like antifa that don't really exist, as terrorist groups. This substantially escalated with nspm7 as reported by Ken Klippenstein.
Antifa doesn't really exist? Please explain people waving antifa flags, wearing antifa badges / clothing, putting antifa in their social media profiles? With this kind of logic, no terrorist group really exists.
There was a pride festival recently during which people were wearing rainbow clothing and waving flags. Do you think all of those people are part of an organization with leaders and "cells" or whatever? Or, maybe, they were all just expressing the same sentiment and using flags and colors and badges to do it?
Okay - but Antifa is still a thing, it exists. There are antifa telegram groups, there were people that identified as being antifa who came together and attacked immigration and customs enforcement officers and are in prison for it. The statement that antifa doesn't exist is not the same statement as antifa is not a hierarchal or centralized organization.
Also, just FYI, one of the more prominent early members of the hacker collective anonymous was a federal informant named Aubrey Cottle (aka Kirtaner) who was a long-time Something Awful forum member with a very sordid past. Anonymous really wasn't that anonymous - it was full of feds and essentially a psyop.
What you're missing is that while it's certainly true that there are plenty of small groups working from the antifacist position, the claim isn't simply that these groups exits- the claim (by the US gov) is that these groups are organized and funded in a top-down manner. Hence the "puppet master" style operations that they so hilariously failed at running against these groups.
The idea that they can find the folks organizing and funding these "cells" is a big part of the US gov's premise on how it is going to "fight" these "cells".
It's not stated as explicitly as that, so it's not surprising that folks don't pick up on that distinction between "distributed groups who agree on principle but don't have any material connections" and "top down, hierarchical structures funded by singlular sources".
But the folks running the US gov don't even see the folks who disagree with them as human, much less as having a legible and understandable grievance. So it's not surprising to me that they just project their own authoritarian and top-down organizational preferences onto other groups of humans doing stuff.
So sure, "antifa" exists. But it's categorically different than how the US government is trying to say it exists, and that's an important distinction.
CSIS has an updated report. While right wing extremism was more prevalent in the decade up to 2024, it dropped significantly in 2025 for unclear reasons.
Also wild that they're willing to just put "Anti-Fascist" in there as the enemy - if you're anti-anti-fascist, that's kind of hiding in plain sight, as if they weren't already. Simply staggering to think that in such a short space of time a country can head off the rails quite so much, but it should be instructional - whenever you look at history, the collapse often happens slowly - and then all at once...
"Anti-Fascism" is not an objective terminology to describe a stance against fascism. There are a million ways in which you can oppose fascism, most of which follow democratic traditions of the social, classical liberal, or conservative flavor.
Antifascism is a self-designation of popcultural dimensions, similar to a Che Guevara shirt. It can be appropriated by anybody who's willing to sign off on the same vague image of an enemy. I have no idea if there are, indeed, terroristic cells in the US that appropriated the brand of Antifascism, but there are some in Germany[0][1].
But more interestingly, the brand hasn't always been free of ownership: it was first created by the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) in 1932 as a part of their internal and external stalinisation and their adoption of authoritarian structures and policies, which started from 1928 under the influence of the USSR. During that time, KPD proclaimed the main fascist adversary to be no other than the Social Democrats (SPD):
"Stalinisation of the KPD began under the leadership of Ernst Thälmann. Freedom of discussion and internal democracy were replaced piece by piece by (...) authoritarian leadership. (...) in 1929 Thälmann and Stalin agreed upon an ultra-left course against the SPD, concluding that the Social Democrats represented a form of 'social fascism'. (...) The theory of social fascism dictated that Nazis and Social Democrats were essentially two sides of the same coin. The primary enemy of the Communists was supposedly the Social Democrats" [2]
Yes, and in this case it's because idiots decided anyone they disagreed with was a fascist, and hey, guess what? It's fine to hit a fascist with a wrench, so let's do it.
The degradation of real terms such as "fascist", "racist", "misogynist", or even "rape" means, as predicted, that no one trusts the use of them any more. They only work with the full force that they should carry if they are used correctly.
Fascism : a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition
I fail to see how the term is being misused when applied to the current administration.
I would read that as an endorsement by omission. Maybe too conspiratorial? I'll accept criticism, but it definitely smells like implication (especially given the hard right-turn ICE took in their choices of "apparel").
It's also worth noting that the idea of Antifa as any sort of organization is 100% shitty fiction.
It's a fucking hashtag (and the spiritual predecessors of hastags like email label, etc for the years prior). Anyone organizing or "promoting" an event (demonstration, protest, whatever) would label it antifa if they felt that the people who were strongly opposed to fascism would find it worthwhile to support the cause.
Yes there are people out there who primarily focused on supporting anything that opposed fascism, and weirdly some of them know each other. (Strange things happen when people congregate, some of them talk to each other and even form friendships... shocking I know).
The idea that its anything other than people in a scene knowing each other is just as dumb as people saying OSS is a terrorist organization because Anonymous released loic under a public domain license.
Antifacist, styled "antifa," and Republican are adjectives like Christian. Christianity and the GOP are massive, documented networks with representatives and hierarchies.
So without a hierarchy, things scare you to the point of declaring them terroists?
So why aren't you screaming about the horrors of OSS and family parties?
(BTW Christianity does not have a hierachy, not a universal one anyway, some groups do of course, like the Catholics... but the baptists, various orthodoxies, and many many more groups don't recognize that hierarchy).
> It's wild that we've hit a point where the existence of Right-Wing Extremists is simply denied.
OK, let's go 30 years back and see how many terror attacks, worldwide, were from islamists: it's something like 95% of all terror attacks.
Then we take all the drug related killings (in which drug users have a responsibility btw: I don't care if they should be legal or not, they're not and you're evil if you support in any way a system that sells fentanyl to teenagers)...
The we take the far-left killings like the assassination of the (maybe despicable) Charlie Kirk and the Trump assassination attempts (with a 's') and Luigi Mangione killing a CEO...
And it's kinda, sorta, indeed not a world where "far-right" terrorism ain't that much of a big thing.
It's been a long time we have seen true far-right, like Mussolini style fascists, doing anything.
And, arguably, the nationalists who think they defend "the people" of their country, are more like nazis (aka national socialists) than actual fascits (to me portraying national socialists and the "one car for everyone" / the car of the people "volkswagen" as purely a far-right party when there were clearly socialists tendencies in nazism --especially at the beginning when Hitler got elected on many "socialist" promises, and that's not open for discussion-- is the biggest success ever of socialism).
Leftists somehow tried to dissociate themselves from all the socialist promises that got Hitler elected.
But not everybody got fooled.
I know what those who killed Charlie Kirk and the UnitedHealthcare CEO are made of.
And I certainly know what those who slaughtered 300 people at the Bataclan and 100 times that in january 2026 in Iran are made of.
Get your priorities right mate: otherwise I know what you are made of too.
Well, there is apparently no evidence that he was "far right" either.
So far, investigators haven't found any evidence on social media or other
writings by Crooks that might help identify his motive for the attempted
assassination, law enforcement officials say... And a review of public
records suggests he may have had divergent political leanings, with Crooks
registering to vote as a Republican but making a small donation to a
Democratic-leaning group.
> The we take the far-left killings like the assassination of the (maybe despicable) Charlie Kirk and the Trump assassination attempts (with a 's') and Luigi Mangione killing a CEO...
I have no recollection of any of those perps being left-wing. Apolitical and centrists.
> OK, let's go 30 years back and see how many terror attacks, worldwide, were from islamists: it's something like 95% of all terror attacks.
Islamism is a far-right ideology. Islamists even collaborate with other flavors of far-right. A lot of American leftists don't like talking about it because they also want solidarity with liberal and leftist Muslims, and the biggest vulnerability to that solidarity is for the American right to demonize Muslims by pointing out that there's an Islamist right. The far right is always inherently scary to anyone outside the preferred in-group.
> Leftists somehow tried to dissociate themselves from all the socialist promises that got Hitler elected.
Even though the Soviets and the Nazis did collaborate, Hitler wasn't a leftist by any definition of the word. Both sides of the collaboration hated each other's guts and figured they'd be able to beat the other once they silenced their mutual threat: liberals and liberal socialists[1]. Hitler was clearly sponsored by German and American[0] business interests looking to maintain their wealth by any means necessary - including putting a meth-addled idiot in power. Everything that "seems socialist" about Hitler (or Stalin[1], or Trump, or Napoleon) is either a concession, or a lie, made to fool people at the margins of the left wing.
The ultimate goal of any fascist is to divide and conquer the people by using non-class divisions (e.g. race, language, religion) to keep the people from realizing whose boot is on their neck. In America this was "Why would you join a union? Do you want to be paid the same as a black person!?". In Germany this was "Why would you vote socialist? Don't you know the Jews made that up!?". The labels are different but the effect is the same: don't join together and fight us, your friends and neighbors are your real enemy.
> And it's kinda, sorta, indeed not a world where "far-right" terrorism ain't that much of a big thing.
It stops being far-right terrorism when the far-right is in power. There's no need to maintain a large insurgency against... what, exactly? Yourself?
[0] Casual reminder that Henry Ford was a huge Hitlerite and that cars are inherently Hitlertech.
[1] Hitler was an example of what happens when the reactionary counter-revolution succeeds. But there's a second possibility: the reactionaries only succeed at pushing the left in a far more authoritarian direction. A Reign of Terror happens, in which both the reactionaries and left-libertarians are purged as equal traitors to the revolution. This continues to burn through the political hierarchy until the forest fire runs out of fuel to burn, Robespierre is hung by his own guillotine, and Thermidor comes. Russia's communists went down the same path the French left did a hundred years ago, and that's why you sometimes hear socialists say "true socialism has never been tried".
The author did not take a stance on the question if Hamas and Iran are leftist Muslims or far-right Islamists, so I dared to ask. You might not believe this, but many German leftist - even moderate ones - supported explicitly the Islamic Revolution, as well as the first or second Intifada. The author might include Hamas and IIR into his conclusion of some groups being "inherently scary to anyone outside the preferred in-group", but by observation, that doesn't seem to be true once your own out-group (i.e., Capitalists, Jews, and Jewish Capitalists) seems even more inherently scary to you than some Islamist thousands of miles away. It's also not true for the governments of Russia or China, which are neither Muslim nor Islamist, thus not part of the proclaimed Iranian "in-group", but they are not at all scared of them.
Furthermore, the author's claims demote "left" and "right" to some kind of synonyms of what they have labeld as "good" and "bad" on their personal moral compass, robbing them of any systematic meaning in political reality; those definitions match neither scientific consensus, nor the way people self-select into groups that call themselves either "left" or "right", nor the way these terms are used to describe policies. The reason is simple: the goals that he attributes to his idea of what "left" means cannot be achieved and sustained on the scale of modern governments and states without the means of authoritarianism, which is, by his definition, exclusively a "far-right" thing.
Yes, the Ayatollahs were very notable in using foreign media to provide cover while they turned a liberal revolution into a far-right Islamist one. I believe there was also a few radical feminists who were so pissed off about America they thought Osama was one of the good guys. The history of left-wing own goals is frustratingly long.
Idiots aside, Islamism is obviously far-right. Okay, left- and right- don't have good definitions as is, as they were defined in response to where people physically sat in the Estates General during the French Revolution. But I can at least point to a few properties that are manifestly right-wing and why Islamists all tick those boxes:
1. Right-wing politics supports and defends already-established power structures. Islam (Sunni-Shia divide notwithstanding) is an established power structure; in fact, it's the dominant power structure in the region. Ergo, Islamism supports and defends an established power structure: a specific religion.
2. Right-wing politics is Wilhoitist: it believes in an in-group, to whom the law protects but does not bind; and that the law binds but does not protect the out-group. Islamism specifically wants an Islamic theocracy, that's about as Wilhoitist as it gets.
3. Right-wing politics demonizes the other, to the point of spreading lies about people outside their preferred in-group. Whenever there's someone shitting on Islam you can count on Islamists to make shit up about them to stoke the flames of outrage.
To me, at least, those properties alone are enough to confidently put Islamism in the far-right bin. The fact that some ignorant leftists do the whole "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" bit without actually reading what's on the tin is immaterial.
> 1. Right-wing politics supports and defends already-established power structures.
Once the left is in power, they immediately turn out to be right wing? Does it happen in the very second they gain power or only when try to keep it? Is running for the next election even though you're already in power inherently right-wing?
> It's wild that we've hit a point where the existence of Right-Wing Extremists is simply denied.
It's not denied; it's just that anyone vaguely right wing who kills is classified as a right wing terror attack. Right wing terror is constantly talked about, so it may appear bigger than it is.
Whereas in terms of groups or common causes, the three listed are much bigger. Why is it healthcare CEOs, presidents and campus debaters all be shot at (and killed in 2 of those cases) and the shootings be celebrated by so many on the left, and well into the mainstream? There's no right wing equivalent any more.
The extreme right massively outperforms the left, which I'm sure is in part due to the right wing obsession with owning as much stuff as possible to kill people with as you can.
Those are largely domestic, though some have quiet foreign support. And there’s no law for designating domestic groups as terrorist. The FBI does a ton of work here though
Not sure I understand you correctly, but in the "United States Counterterrorism Strategy 2026", they are explicitly called out as being domestic:
> Additionally, we recognize that a new type of domestic terrorism has emerged, driven by violent extremists who have adopted ideologies antithetical to freedom
and the American way of life.
Although I certainly don't blame anyone for thinking of right-wing terrorism as primarily domestic, some degree of research will demonstrate the multi-national nature of the problem.
We can start with The Base, founded by Rinaldo Nazzaro in 2018, the year after he moved to Russia and obtained Russian citizenship. Nazzaro is a longtime advocate of Harold Covington's Northwest Front concept -- an all-white state in the Pacific Northwest. Nazzaro purchased properties in Washington state for training purposes. The Base was active in Canada, the US, and Europe -- members were arrested for planning a mass shooting in Virginia at a gun rights rally in 2020, for planning to vandalize synagogues in Wisconsin and Michigan, and the Ukranian Base cell claimed responsibility for assassinating an intelligence officer in Ukraine's Security Service. Nazzaro remains in Russia, safe from prosecution.
In 2020, Robert Rundo started the Active club network, which promotes mixed martial arts as preparation for a race war. Rundo also moved to Europe to avoid US prosecution. (He has since been extradited from Romania.) These clubs have absorbed a number of former Atomwaffen Division members. Active clubs have not gone as far into terrorism as The Base, but have played a role in a number of racially-motivated riots in the British Isles and there's some evidence of terrorist-flavored plotting among specific Active club instances.
(It's worth noting that these clubs are decentralized in a similar fashion to antifa groups; Rundo is not a central authority, although he's more of a central figure than anyone who considers themselves antifa. But I want to be consistent.)
Speaking of Atomwaffen -- I don't consider them as much of a threat as they were prior to 2020. However, since we're talking about foreign coordination and support, it's worth noting that they emerged from the Iron March website, which was run by Alisher Mukhitdinov, who is believed to be an Uzbek living in Russia. Mukhitdinov claims he was recruited by Aleksandr Dugin. In any case, Atomwaffen was tightly coordinating with Sonnenkrieg Division in the UK and Feuerkrieg Division in Europe. And as it faded, some members went to Europe, seeing the Ukraine (and the Azov Brigade) as a potential training ground/sanctuary.
The accelerationist white supremacist movement is fundamentally international.
ICANN can't suspend second-level domains, this is up to the owner of .org (the Public Interest Registry) or the registrar of the particular domain (Gandi).
lol. In case you didn’t notice, dissent is terrorism, failure to kiss the ring is treason, and if you want to play in the US market there are some cryptocurrency purchases you might want to do, as a hedge against unfavorable tariffs. Also, for only 100KUSD you can join the official US insider trading chat.
Ever since the U.S. went fash, provably and demonstrably. This is an example of federal apparatus being used to delineate sides for cases in Oregon and Texas.
You can't just shrug off a whole host of threatening and criminal behavior because you sympathize with the cause of the terrorists committing the acts.
Antifa has caused a lot of damage to society, which is why they are considered a Domestic Terrorist Organization in the US and are being actively pushed back against now that their billionaire-backed funding networks have been identified.
The joke is the people performing the acts of fascists that then claim to be anti-fascist. They simply do not recognize or acknowledge their own fascist, mob-like behavior, but apply the label to all of their enemies. They've read and heeded Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" to perfection. The US is one of the only countries taking the Antifa threat to civilization seriously.
Not since the venerable Joe McCarthy has America taken this threat with the seriousness it merits. I can only count the days until we get a proper House Antifa Terrorism and Extremism committee.
NSA, if you're reading, please relay this to Mike Johnson post-haste. America is so close to being great again!
"Threat to civilization"? I’m not even going to dignify that bullshit narrative with a response. And that’s before we get to the actual threats to civilization being unleashed by your pedo-rapist president—from starting a war with Iran to bombing an all-girls school and potentially dragging us toward WW3, with masked ICE gestapo thugs harassing american citizens.
wow. your comment is also lunacy, tbh. autistici runs at a small deficit and is a passion project. so they are “yacht people” because they have some computers, a godforsaken server somewhere, and maybe an iphone? and where the hell is this russian money supposed to be?
your fantasy-world ideas do not help anyone grasp the gravity of the situation. they only show that you have zero facts and are filling the gap with random cartoon nonsense.
but sure, censorship of extremely small groups is becoming the norm, and you are here celebrating because the targets are communists, not your kind. where do you think this will lead?
I had no idea what this is, Google said:
> Autistici/Inventati provides internet support to activists and collectives coming from the world of grassroot and social movements.
US administration says:
> https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616
> ... an Italy-based entity that supplies specialized digital architecture, tools, and services for Antifa cells and other violent far-left extremists ...
There have been some posts here lately.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49464391
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49451343
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49477854
> Currently we face three major types of terror groups:
> • Narcoterrorists and Transnational Gangs
> • Legacy Islamist Terrorists
> • Violent Left-Wing Extremists, including Anarchists and Anti-Fascist
It's wild that we've hit a point where the existence of Right-Wing Extremists is simply denied.
From 2020:
> First, right-wing attacks and plots accounted for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994. In particular, they made up a large percentage of incidents in the 1990s and 2010s. Second, the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown substantially during the past six years.
Source: https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-u...
“legacy” islamist terrorists?
as if a violent ideology that’s been around for centuries simply gets deprecated like IE6?
if only it were that easy.
Centuries? 1900's to 2000's or is there more? please elaborate and educate us.
Because the non-legacy Religious Terrorists get invited to the whitehouse. What makes them legacy is not sucking up to Trump.
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"terrorism" is a racket. Also, it is nothing compared to what US and others did to other countries. Yes, scale matters. So please.
omg whataboutism is so fucking lame
Interesting how Jewish terrorists aren't mentioned, even though Israel has a long and storied history of engaging in terrorism. I guess it's such a legacy that it's not even brought up anymore?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_state-sponsored_ter...
Yes, anyone who has been paying attention knows that this administration has been designating people who disagree with them politically or socially, or in some cases groups like antifa that don't really exist, as terrorist groups. This substantially escalated with nspm7 as reported by Ken Klippenstein.
Antifa doesn't really exist? Please explain people waving antifa flags, wearing antifa badges / clothing, putting antifa in their social media profiles? With this kind of logic, no terrorist group really exists.
There was a pride festival recently during which people were wearing rainbow clothing and waving flags. Do you think all of those people are part of an organization with leaders and "cells" or whatever? Or, maybe, they were all just expressing the same sentiment and using flags and colors and badges to do it?
I think they mean it is not an "organization" in the sense that there is no structure or hierarchy, no boss, no headquarters etc.
They might as well be called "Anonymous".
Okay - but Antifa is still a thing, it exists. There are antifa telegram groups, there were people that identified as being antifa who came together and attacked immigration and customs enforcement officers and are in prison for it. The statement that antifa doesn't exist is not the same statement as antifa is not a hierarchal or centralized organization.
Also, just FYI, one of the more prominent early members of the hacker collective anonymous was a federal informant named Aubrey Cottle (aka Kirtaner) who was a long-time Something Awful forum member with a very sordid past. Anonymous really wasn't that anonymous - it was full of feds and essentially a psyop.
What you're missing is that while it's certainly true that there are plenty of small groups working from the antifacist position, the claim isn't simply that these groups exits- the claim (by the US gov) is that these groups are organized and funded in a top-down manner. Hence the "puppet master" style operations that they so hilariously failed at running against these groups.
The idea that they can find the folks organizing and funding these "cells" is a big part of the US gov's premise on how it is going to "fight" these "cells".
It's not stated as explicitly as that, so it's not surprising that folks don't pick up on that distinction between "distributed groups who agree on principle but don't have any material connections" and "top down, hierarchical structures funded by singlular sources".
But the folks running the US gov don't even see the folks who disagree with them as human, much less as having a legible and understandable grievance. So it's not surprising to me that they just project their own authoritarian and top-down organizational preferences onto other groups of humans doing stuff.
So sure, "antifa" exists. But it's categorically different than how the US government is trying to say it exists, and that's an important distinction.
CSIS has an updated report. While right wing extremism was more prevalent in the decade up to 2024, it dropped significantly in 2025 for unclear reasons.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/left-wing-terrorism-and-politi...
They all be working for ICE
Looking closelier at their data, it's only up to 7/25. It doesnt include two right wing attacks that took place shortly after that:
1. An anti-LGBTQ plot targeting a Texas pride parade
2. The attack on a Michigan Mormon congregation.
Also csis states "the fall in right-wing violence is likely temporary"
Also wild that they're willing to just put "Anti-Fascist" in there as the enemy - if you're anti-anti-fascist, that's kind of hiding in plain sight, as if they weren't already. Simply staggering to think that in such a short space of time a country can head off the rails quite so much, but it should be instructional - whenever you look at history, the collapse often happens slowly - and then all at once...
"Anti-Fascism" is not an objective terminology to describe a stance against fascism. There are a million ways in which you can oppose fascism, most of which follow democratic traditions of the social, classical liberal, or conservative flavor.
Antifascism is a self-designation of popcultural dimensions, similar to a Che Guevara shirt. It can be appropriated by anybody who's willing to sign off on the same vague image of an enemy. I have no idea if there are, indeed, terroristic cells in the US that appropriated the brand of Antifascism, but there are some in Germany[0][1].
But more interestingly, the brand hasn't always been free of ownership: it was first created by the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) in 1932 as a part of their internal and external stalinisation and their adoption of authoritarian structures and policies, which started from 1928 under the influence of the USSR. During that time, KPD proclaimed the main fascist adversary to be no other than the Social Democrats (SPD):
"Stalinisation of the KPD began under the leadership of Ernst Thälmann. Freedom of discussion and internal democracy were replaced piece by piece by (...) authoritarian leadership. (...) in 1929 Thälmann and Stalin agreed upon an ultra-left course against the SPD, concluding that the Social Democrats represented a form of 'social fascism'. (...) The theory of social fascism dictated that Nazis and Social Democrats were essentially two sides of the same coin. The primary enemy of the Communists was supposedly the Social Democrats" [2]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_left-wing_extremism_tr...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Complex
[2] https://isj.org.uk/divided-they-fell-the-german-left-and-the...
Yes, and in this case it's because idiots decided anyone they disagreed with was a fascist, and hey, guess what? It's fine to hit a fascist with a wrench, so let's do it.
The degradation of real terms such as "fascist", "racist", "misogynist", or even "rape" means, as predicted, that no one trusts the use of them any more. They only work with the full force that they should carry if they are used correctly.
I would read that as an endorsement by omission. Maybe too conspiratorial? I'll accept criticism, but it definitely smells like implication (especially given the hard right-turn ICE took in their choices of "apparel").
It's also worth noting that the idea of Antifa as any sort of organization is 100% shitty fiction.
It's a fucking hashtag (and the spiritual predecessors of hastags like email label, etc for the years prior). Anyone organizing or "promoting" an event (demonstration, protest, whatever) would label it antifa if they felt that the people who were strongly opposed to fascism would find it worthwhile to support the cause.
Yes there are people out there who primarily focused on supporting anything that opposed fascism, and weirdly some of them know each other. (Strange things happen when people congregate, some of them talk to each other and even form friendships... shocking I know).
The idea that its anything other than people in a scene knowing each other is just as dumb as people saying OSS is a terrorist organization because Anonymous released loic under a public domain license.
Yes, and Isis is a bunch of independent cells held together by an ideology too.
Is Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness a bunch of independent cells held together by an ideology... or is it just an ideology?
So is Christianity and the GOP. What's your point?
Antifacist, styled "antifa," and Republican are adjectives like Christian. Christianity and the GOP are massive, documented networks with representatives and hierarchies.
So without a hierarchy, things scare you to the point of declaring them terroists?
So why aren't you screaming about the horrors of OSS and family parties?
(BTW Christianity does not have a hierachy, not a universal one anyway, some groups do of course, like the Catholics... but the baptists, various orthodoxies, and many many more groups don't recognize that hierarchy).
> It's wild that we've hit a point where the existence of Right-Wing Extremists is simply denied.
OK, let's go 30 years back and see how many terror attacks, worldwide, were from islamists: it's something like 95% of all terror attacks.
Then we take all the drug related killings (in which drug users have a responsibility btw: I don't care if they should be legal or not, they're not and you're evil if you support in any way a system that sells fentanyl to teenagers)...
The we take the far-left killings like the assassination of the (maybe despicable) Charlie Kirk and the Trump assassination attempts (with a 's') and Luigi Mangione killing a CEO...
And it's kinda, sorta, indeed not a world where "far-right" terrorism ain't that much of a big thing.
It's been a long time we have seen true far-right, like Mussolini style fascists, doing anything.
And, arguably, the nationalists who think they defend "the people" of their country, are more like nazis (aka national socialists) than actual fascits (to me portraying national socialists and the "one car for everyone" / the car of the people "volkswagen" as purely a far-right party when there were clearly socialists tendencies in nazism --especially at the beginning when Hitler got elected on many "socialist" promises, and that's not open for discussion-- is the biggest success ever of socialism).
Leftists somehow tried to dissociate themselves from all the socialist promises that got Hitler elected.
But not everybody got fooled.
I know what those who killed Charlie Kirk and the UnitedHealthcare CEO are made of.
And I certainly know what those who slaughtered 300 people at the Bataclan and 100 times that in january 2026 in Iran are made of.
Get your priorities right mate: otherwise I know what you are made of too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Don...
what evidence is there that this registered republican was "far left"?
Well, there is apparently no evidence that he was "far right" either.
> OK, let's go 30 years back and see how many terror attacks, worldwide, were from islamists: it's something like 95% of all terror attacks.
30 years ago - in the mid-1990s - 100% of all terror attacks were carried out by white Christians, often by groups like the Irish Republicans.
Can you give an example of even one "islamist" attack from that time period?
Ramzi Yousef, famous Irish Republican terrorist.
Don't know who that is.
Mate.
That last sentence is a straight-up threat.
Bloke's a melon.
> The we take the far-left killings like the assassination of the (maybe despicable) Charlie Kirk and the Trump assassination attempts (with a 's') and Luigi Mangione killing a CEO...
I have no recollection of any of those perps being left-wing. Apolitical and centrists.
> OK, let's go 30 years back and see how many terror attacks, worldwide, were from islamists: it's something like 95% of all terror attacks.
Islamism is a far-right ideology. Islamists even collaborate with other flavors of far-right. A lot of American leftists don't like talking about it because they also want solidarity with liberal and leftist Muslims, and the biggest vulnerability to that solidarity is for the American right to demonize Muslims by pointing out that there's an Islamist right. The far right is always inherently scary to anyone outside the preferred in-group.
> Leftists somehow tried to dissociate themselves from all the socialist promises that got Hitler elected.
Even though the Soviets and the Nazis did collaborate, Hitler wasn't a leftist by any definition of the word. Both sides of the collaboration hated each other's guts and figured they'd be able to beat the other once they silenced their mutual threat: liberals and liberal socialists[1]. Hitler was clearly sponsored by German and American[0] business interests looking to maintain their wealth by any means necessary - including putting a meth-addled idiot in power. Everything that "seems socialist" about Hitler (or Stalin[1], or Trump, or Napoleon) is either a concession, or a lie, made to fool people at the margins of the left wing.
The ultimate goal of any fascist is to divide and conquer the people by using non-class divisions (e.g. race, language, religion) to keep the people from realizing whose boot is on their neck. In America this was "Why would you join a union? Do you want to be paid the same as a black person!?". In Germany this was "Why would you vote socialist? Don't you know the Jews made that up!?". The labels are different but the effect is the same: don't join together and fight us, your friends and neighbors are your real enemy.
> And it's kinda, sorta, indeed not a world where "far-right" terrorism ain't that much of a big thing.
It stops being far-right terrorism when the far-right is in power. There's no need to maintain a large insurgency against... what, exactly? Yourself?
[0] Casual reminder that Henry Ford was a huge Hitlerite and that cars are inherently Hitlertech.
[1] Hitler was an example of what happens when the reactionary counter-revolution succeeds. But there's a second possibility: the reactionaries only succeed at pushing the left in a far more authoritarian direction. A Reign of Terror happens, in which both the reactionaries and left-libertarians are purged as equal traitors to the revolution. This continues to burn through the political hierarchy until the forest fire runs out of fuel to burn, Robespierre is hung by his own guillotine, and Thermidor comes. Russia's communists went down the same path the French left did a hundred years ago, and that's why you sometimes hear socialists say "true socialism has never been tried".
> Islamism is a far-right ideology.
That's why Hamas and Iran are supported by western center-left and far-left idiots?
It's generally considered rude to stop reading one sentence into a message in order to shoot off pithy replies
The author did not take a stance on the question if Hamas and Iran are leftist Muslims or far-right Islamists, so I dared to ask. You might not believe this, but many German leftist - even moderate ones - supported explicitly the Islamic Revolution, as well as the first or second Intifada. The author might include Hamas and IIR into his conclusion of some groups being "inherently scary to anyone outside the preferred in-group", but by observation, that doesn't seem to be true once your own out-group (i.e., Capitalists, Jews, and Jewish Capitalists) seems even more inherently scary to you than some Islamist thousands of miles away. It's also not true for the governments of Russia or China, which are neither Muslim nor Islamist, thus not part of the proclaimed Iranian "in-group", but they are not at all scared of them.
Furthermore, the author's claims demote "left" and "right" to some kind of synonyms of what they have labeld as "good" and "bad" on their personal moral compass, robbing them of any systematic meaning in political reality; those definitions match neither scientific consensus, nor the way people self-select into groups that call themselves either "left" or "right", nor the way these terms are used to describe policies. The reason is simple: the goals that he attributes to his idea of what "left" means cannot be achieved and sustained on the scale of modern governments and states without the means of authoritarianism, which is, by his definition, exclusively a "far-right" thing.
Yes, the Ayatollahs were very notable in using foreign media to provide cover while they turned a liberal revolution into a far-right Islamist one. I believe there was also a few radical feminists who were so pissed off about America they thought Osama was one of the good guys. The history of left-wing own goals is frustratingly long.
Idiots aside, Islamism is obviously far-right. Okay, left- and right- don't have good definitions as is, as they were defined in response to where people physically sat in the Estates General during the French Revolution. But I can at least point to a few properties that are manifestly right-wing and why Islamists all tick those boxes:
1. Right-wing politics supports and defends already-established power structures. Islam (Sunni-Shia divide notwithstanding) is an established power structure; in fact, it's the dominant power structure in the region. Ergo, Islamism supports and defends an established power structure: a specific religion.
2. Right-wing politics is Wilhoitist: it believes in an in-group, to whom the law protects but does not bind; and that the law binds but does not protect the out-group. Islamism specifically wants an Islamic theocracy, that's about as Wilhoitist as it gets.
3. Right-wing politics demonizes the other, to the point of spreading lies about people outside their preferred in-group. Whenever there's someone shitting on Islam you can count on Islamists to make shit up about them to stoke the flames of outrage.
To me, at least, those properties alone are enough to confidently put Islamism in the far-right bin. The fact that some ignorant leftists do the whole "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" bit without actually reading what's on the tin is immaterial.
> 1. Right-wing politics supports and defends already-established power structures.
Once the left is in power, they immediately turn out to be right wing? Does it happen in the very second they gain power or only when try to keep it? Is running for the next election even though you're already in power inherently right-wing?
> It's wild that we've hit a point where the existence of Right-Wing Extremists is simply denied.
It's not denied; it's just that anyone vaguely right wing who kills is classified as a right wing terror attack. Right wing terror is constantly talked about, so it may appear bigger than it is.
Whereas in terms of groups or common causes, the three listed are much bigger. Why is it healthcare CEOs, presidents and campus debaters all be shot at (and killed in 2 of those cases) and the shootings be celebrated by so many on the left, and well into the mainstream? There's no right wing equivalent any more.
"it may appear bigger than it is"
Except that it's by far the largest in the US based on the data.
Who have they assassinated in the last 10 years?
We have leftwing examples from Charlie Kirk for speech to the live-streamed execution of Antonio Mays Jr for joyriding on leftwing militia turf.
I don't think even most of the right in the US believe Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk, based on the volume of conspiracy stuff I've seen.
I know he hasn't been convicted, and unless I'm wrong, federal investigators have found no confirmed ties to organised left wing groups.
Antonio Mays Jr's killing is still unsolved.
Check the data, it's not a secret.
https://ibb.co/R4b32CWy
The extreme right massively outperforms the left, which I'm sure is in part due to the right wing obsession with owning as much stuff as possible to kill people with as you can.
See table here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#Additiona...
Those are largely domestic, though some have quiet foreign support. And there’s no law for designating domestic groups as terrorist. The FBI does a ton of work here though
Not sure I understand you correctly, but in the "United States Counterterrorism Strategy 2026", they are explicitly called out as being domestic:
> Additionally, we recognize that a new type of domestic terrorism has emerged, driven by violent extremists who have adopted ideologies antithetical to freedom and the American way of life.
Source: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/2026-U...
Although I certainly don't blame anyone for thinking of right-wing terrorism as primarily domestic, some degree of research will demonstrate the multi-national nature of the problem.
We can start with The Base, founded by Rinaldo Nazzaro in 2018, the year after he moved to Russia and obtained Russian citizenship. Nazzaro is a longtime advocate of Harold Covington's Northwest Front concept -- an all-white state in the Pacific Northwest. Nazzaro purchased properties in Washington state for training purposes. The Base was active in Canada, the US, and Europe -- members were arrested for planning a mass shooting in Virginia at a gun rights rally in 2020, for planning to vandalize synagogues in Wisconsin and Michigan, and the Ukranian Base cell claimed responsibility for assassinating an intelligence officer in Ukraine's Security Service. Nazzaro remains in Russia, safe from prosecution.
In 2020, Robert Rundo started the Active club network, which promotes mixed martial arts as preparation for a race war. Rundo also moved to Europe to avoid US prosecution. (He has since been extradited from Romania.) These clubs have absorbed a number of former Atomwaffen Division members. Active clubs have not gone as far into terrorism as The Base, but have played a role in a number of racially-motivated riots in the British Isles and there's some evidence of terrorist-flavored plotting among specific Active club instances.
(It's worth noting that these clubs are decentralized in a similar fashion to antifa groups; Rundo is not a central authority, although he's more of a central figure than anyone who considers themselves antifa. But I want to be consistent.)
Speaking of Atomwaffen -- I don't consider them as much of a threat as they were prior to 2020. However, since we're talking about foreign coordination and support, it's worth noting that they emerged from the Iron March website, which was run by Alisher Mukhitdinov, who is believed to be an Uzbek living in Russia. Mukhitdinov claims he was recruited by Aleksandr Dugin. In any case, Atomwaffen was tightly coordinating with Sonnenkrieg Division in the UK and Feuerkrieg Division in Europe. And as it faded, some members went to Europe, seeing the Ukraine (and the Azov Brigade) as a potential training ground/sanctuary.
The accelerationist white supremacist movement is fundamentally international.
The Trump admin infamously declared Antifa a domestic terrorist organization in September 2025.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/desi...
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>free individuals
lol
basically they provide self hosted foss encrypted services which the US Govt didnt like https://www.inventati.org/services/
both of their .orgs seem to be down
Related discussion
U.S. Sanctions Against the a/I Collective
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49477854
US sanctions Italian hosting provider Autistici Inventati
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49451343
US Government designates host of noblogs.org a "global terrorist"
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49464391
Also
>Rubio Uses Terrorism Law to Ban Secure Email Service
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49474621
We are still living in the shadow of the world the Patriot Act created and continues to shape.
The most consequential legislation of my lifetime.
What do we do now it's becoming clear that ICANN can't be trusted?
ICANN can't suspend second-level domains, this is up to the owner of .org (the Public Interest Registry) or the registrar of the particular domain (Gandi).
Maybe they can now move to a .it subdomain, since they are not designated as a terrorist organization in Italy.
That makes the most sense to me. Although, I don't know if .org is subject to US law specifically? Is it?
what ever happened to the idea of DNS on the blockchain?
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lol. In case you didn’t notice, dissent is terrorism, failure to kiss the ring is treason, and if you want to play in the US market there are some cryptocurrency purchases you might want to do, as a hedge against unfavorable tariffs. Also, for only 100KUSD you can join the official US insider trading chat.
I wish any of this was an exaggeration.
I wonder if there are Americans on hn who already self censor their criticism of the Trump regime because they're scared of reprisals.
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No?
Trump can suck a fart out of my butt.
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Is it just dark on the NA side if the pond? I still see it just fine...
Everybody and their grandmother uses their services. Are you organizing a non-profit rehearsal space? Create a mailing list there.
This is grim.
I guess this only works because those are foreign servers so freedom of speech does not apply but Italy is doing their bidding?
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49477854
So the US government now owns all emails coming into accounts on this domain.
this domain doesnt have an mx record at all
Once again, the crime is providing encrypted email accounts, chat and video conferencing.
Uncle Sam really, really, really wants to terrify as many providers are possible into letting them peek into your personal correspondence.
This is why decentralized end to end encryption methods are so important
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the US is a fucking joke.
being anti-fascist is extremist? since when?
Ever since the U.S. went fash, provably and demonstrably. This is an example of federal apparatus being used to delineate sides for cases in Oregon and Texas.
the far-left calls everyone 'fascists'
yeah, those fuckign terrorists! smh
You can't just shrug off a whole host of threatening and criminal behavior because you sympathize with the cause of the terrorists committing the acts.
Antifa has caused a lot of damage to society, which is why they are considered a Domestic Terrorist Organization in the US and are being actively pushed back against now that their billionaire-backed funding networks have been identified.
> the US is a fucking joke.
> being anti-fascist is extremist? since when?
The joke is the people performing the acts of fascists that then claim to be anti-fascist. They simply do not recognize or acknowledge their own fascist, mob-like behavior, but apply the label to all of their enemies. They've read and heeded Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" to perfection. The US is one of the only countries taking the Antifa threat to civilization seriously.
Not since the venerable Joe McCarthy has America taken this threat with the seriousness it merits. I can only count the days until we get a proper House Antifa Terrorism and Extremism committee.
NSA, if you're reading, please relay this to Mike Johnson post-haste. America is so close to being great again!
"Threat to civilization"? I’m not even going to dignify that bullshit narrative with a response. And that’s before we get to the actual threats to civilization being unleashed by your pedo-rapist president—from starting a war with Iran to bombing an all-girls school and potentially dragging us toward WW3, with masked ICE gestapo thugs harassing american citizens.
Go touch grass and get off Facebook.
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whoo hooo, I've had an unused account there. guess I'm on yet another list, woe betide me.
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Ahem... are you joking?
They're LARPing, must have escaped from Twitter
American lunatics fighting with Italian punkabbestia on a yacht, all surrounded with confetti from Russian money. You guys want some prosecco?
wow. your comment is also lunacy, tbh. autistici runs at a small deficit and is a passion project. so they are “yacht people” because they have some computers, a godforsaken server somewhere, and maybe an iphone? and where the hell is this russian money supposed to be?
your fantasy-world ideas do not help anyone grasp the gravity of the situation. they only show that you have zero facts and are filling the gap with random cartoon nonsense.
but sure, censorship of extremely small groups is becoming the norm, and you are here celebrating because the targets are communists, not your kind. where do you think this will lead?