The plane came down like a missile, nothing left but a crater.
Some speculation has been icing on the plane, since it looks like it entered a small storm cell. It originally flew around a larger storm going on, but just around the time it started losing altitude, it had gone through a small cell. Then when the plane goes back into colder area, rapid ice formation happens due to supercooling.
It's amazing that it seems like only the people on board lost their lives. The crash looked devastating, and into a fairly high population (residential, on a holiday weekend) area.
It also seems very disrespectful to me how the ATC audio has been published. I haven't listened because of how many people I've seen saying they found it haunting or regret listening. Could you imagine that circulating if the pilot was your family? If that was how you found out? I get that all the news outlets want to be the one to report and capture attention, but these are real people. My heart goes out to the families.
Analysis of Miami NEXRAD radar shows the Learjet 60 (N722BD) entered a thunderstorm core near Wellington at about 12:48 PM ET, just before it crashed in Palm Beach County.
At 35,000 feet, radar echoes around the jet jumped to 34 dBZ, with a 52 dBZ core below it and storm tops near 47,000 feet. Tracking data shows the jet climbed about 450 feet inside the core, then went into a spiraling dive and crashed 76 seconds later.
The ATC wasn't "released" by anyone, ATC communications are open and in the clear, anyone can listen in, and there are many individual and companies that record all ATC conversations and host them online as datasets.
> It also seems very disrespectful to me how the ATC audio has been published
Most of the ATC exchange is being recorded and published by volunteers 24/7. It's not "published" in a sense it's never been secret - there is no encryption or any special encoding. You only need AM radio with a specific frequency band to listen to it.
It's being published in the sense that news outlets are redistributing it. They are under no obligation to redistribute it. They are doing it because a) they believe it will drive more traffic to their site, and b) they don't care how disrespectful it is to redistribute.
Hard to argue that the BBC isn't mainstream, yet the article we're discussing contains only selected extracts from the transcript and doesn't link to the audio.
I also noticed the quickly released ATC audio and also didn't listen to it.
I saw an interview with the son of a 9/11 victim last month. One of the things he said was: "anybody can see my father die on youtube". Really stuck with me.
All civil aviation radio is by default strictly done over open channels in order to co ordinate with all of the other aircraft and ground control, and is often the only comunication possible in an emergency, and is always monitored and 'published' in order to co ordinate emergency responses, in the air, on the ground, and can often serve as the only real evidence as to what happened.
The other part is that it also serves to keep wild speculation to a minimum.
Your or anybody elses fucking feelings will never be meaningfully effected by this standard procedure, these people died publicly and it was witnessed, it's obsene to attempt to then 'privitise' that.
Wanaknow whats worse, I'll tell ya, these people had the option to blast strait up through and OVER the iceing conditions, but were saving fuel by flying lower and counting on the 'de ice' equipent normally only use for 'decent into weather' and landing, or thats what I am gathering, others with better knowledge will have completly picked it apart.
That doesn't sound right, the optimal fuel altitude for the Lear 60 is above 40,000 feet (flying higher generally has better fuel efficiency because of less wind resistance from thinner air, up to the point where the engine and wings lose thrust/lift.)
More likely they were following a standard flight route for the area.
Flying is such an interesting thing to me. I'm still frightened every time I get in a plane
Unequivocally the safest way to travel, statistically, but when things go this wrong it is more or less impossible for anyone on board to survive. I'm just thankful it didn't hit a building or anything
I too have been unable to listen or watch much. I saw a clip of the initial impact and the post-impact destruction. This stuff is rare to witness, and frankly the world has enough trauma to deal with already. We don't need to gruesome images of the aftermath distributed around the web. I'm also unable to listen to the audio. It's just not for me.
Yesterday I saw some post on Threads where some guy vibe coded / recreated the flight path and ATC / pilot convo moment by moment in 3D. Incredibly poor taste, and I'm disappointed this is considered 'normal'.
The plane came down like a missile, nothing left but a crater.
Some speculation has been icing on the plane, since it looks like it entered a small storm cell. It originally flew around a larger storm going on, but just around the time it started losing altitude, it had gone through a small cell. Then when the plane goes back into colder area, rapid ice formation happens due to supercooling.
It's amazing that it seems like only the people on board lost their lives. The crash looked devastating, and into a fairly high population (residential, on a holiday weekend) area.
It also seems very disrespectful to me how the ATC audio has been published. I haven't listened because of how many people I've seen saying they found it haunting or regret listening. Could you imagine that circulating if the pilot was your family? If that was how you found out? I get that all the news outlets want to be the one to report and capture attention, but these are real people. My heart goes out to the families.
It looked like a ballistic missile. Straight down into the pavement.
If it had been more horizontal, there would likely have been casualties on the ground as well.
I suspect they release the audio, ironically, to calm airline passengers letting them know it was a unique situation.
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Analysis of Miami NEXRAD radar shows the Learjet 60 (N722BD) entered a thunderstorm core near Wellington at about 12:48 PM ET, just before it crashed in Palm Beach County.
At 35,000 feet, radar echoes around the jet jumped to 34 dBZ, with a 52 dBZ core below it and storm tops near 47,000 feet. Tracking data shows the jet climbed about 450 feet inside the core, then went into a spiraling dive and crashed 76 seconds later.
The ATC wasn't "released" by anyone, ATC communications are open and in the clear, anyone can listen in, and there are many individual and companies that record all ATC conversations and host them online as datasets.
> It also seems very disrespectful to me how the ATC audio has been published
Most of the ATC exchange is being recorded and published by volunteers 24/7. It's not "published" in a sense it's never been secret - there is no encryption or any special encoding. You only need AM radio with a specific frequency band to listen to it.
It's being published in the sense that news outlets are redistributing it. They are under no obligation to redistribute it. They are doing it because a) they believe it will drive more traffic to their site, and b) they don't care how disrespectful it is to redistribute.
You just described the ethics of the mainstream media.
They have none. Money is more important.
Hard to argue that the BBC isn't mainstream, yet the article we're discussing contains only selected extracts from the transcript and doesn't link to the audio.
Also hard to argue the BBC hasn't had ethics problems
And for all that, they still managed to refrain from distributing the audio.
Nihilist complaints about "the MSM" aren't a productive way to deal with such ghoulishness.
I also noticed the quickly released ATC audio and also didn't listen to it.
I saw an interview with the son of a 9/11 victim last month. One of the things he said was: "anybody can see my father die on youtube". Really stuck with me.
> It's amazing that it seems like only the people on board lost their lives.
Yes, honestly this was the first thing I thought when hearing about it.
All civil aviation radio is by default strictly done over open channels in order to co ordinate with all of the other aircraft and ground control, and is often the only comunication possible in an emergency, and is always monitored and 'published' in order to co ordinate emergency responses, in the air, on the ground, and can often serve as the only real evidence as to what happened. The other part is that it also serves to keep wild speculation to a minimum. Your or anybody elses fucking feelings will never be meaningfully effected by this standard procedure, these people died publicly and it was witnessed, it's obsene to attempt to then 'privitise' that. Wanaknow whats worse, I'll tell ya, these people had the option to blast strait up through and OVER the iceing conditions, but were saving fuel by flying lower and counting on the 'de ice' equipent normally only use for 'decent into weather' and landing, or thats what I am gathering, others with better knowledge will have completly picked it apart.
That doesn't sound right, the optimal fuel altitude for the Lear 60 is above 40,000 feet (flying higher generally has better fuel efficiency because of less wind resistance from thinner air, up to the point where the engine and wings lose thrust/lift.)
More likely they were following a standard flight route for the area.
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I'm no expert but the early "reports" are saying ice and turbulence. The video and ATC recording is haunting.
Flying is such an interesting thing to me. I'm still frightened every time I get in a plane
Unequivocally the safest way to travel, statistically, but when things go this wrong it is more or less impossible for anyone on board to survive. I'm just thankful it didn't hit a building or anything
I couldn't bring myself to listen to the audio
I too have been unable to listen or watch much. I saw a clip of the initial impact and the post-impact destruction. This stuff is rare to witness, and frankly the world has enough trauma to deal with already. We don't need to gruesome images of the aftermath distributed around the web. I'm also unable to listen to the audio. It's just not for me.
Yesterday I saw some post on Threads where some guy vibe coded / recreated the flight path and ATC / pilot convo moment by moment in 3D. Incredibly poor taste, and I'm disappointed this is considered 'normal'.