Bet this will be flagged within 8 hours. The lack of "vouch" for submissions is really convenient for flag-trolls. Maybe they'll restrict my account too.
Edit: only took one hour - it's even within the editing window for this comment!
Not only did my reasonable comment in this thread get flagged (after being upvoted!). I can no longer vouch for comments. The link is there, it just doesn’t do anything. Some site huh!
This usually means your account has been shadowbanned from casting flags and vouches. You'll also find yourself limited to posting 5 comments in a row.
You're right, but that linked piece isn't. Or, at least, the authors are either unaware, misinformed, or after some agenda. It's making a de jure argument. The ICC simply doesn't exist from the American perspective, because America is not a party to the treaty. The law it cites is, instead, congressional preauthorization to act if an American or an ally is captured.
The future solution will tjen be that the winner in a conflict will race to nab all enemies and execute them. That will be the only way to ensure "a punishment". Interring Putin, for example, would lead to pressure from Trump an Xi, in that order, to release him.
Looks like our future will be more bloody and violent as a result.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Israel was an overreach for the court - hell, everything about Israel and international bodies is blatantly biased, if you try to take any baseline whatsoever. Africa's conflicts, Ukraine, previous wars etc. It works only if you consider Israel in a void, or in a category of its own. There were conflicts in Africa this summer that killed more people than died in all of Gaza's recent conflict, and got exactly 1% of the public indignation and UN resolutions.
International bodies are incredibly useful, but only if they avoid being used as political tools. And lately they've been delivering failure after failure. ICC, UN, WHO...
The correct solution in Israel was always UN troops. But that'd involve UN getting their hands dirty and doing something other than giving resolutions.
The number of people who have listened to a religious nut at the door, versus the number of people who have converted to that religion. Until they make a single concession, it's only a symbolic willingness to talk about it, nothing more.
I cannot imagine the pressure the US is exerting on all kinds of international systems due to temper tantrums at the top of the chain of command, but based on history and everything we see in the news it's a lot. The wise diplomatic choice would be to start up exploratory negotiations to reduce pressure (no doubt on completely unrelated systems, like cooperation in tertiary education). If talks can be dragged out for two years, maybe it'll all just go away.
Why does every country capitulate to the US? Let them sanction the Netherlands and see how much they enjoy not having access to EUV machines…
Like, is Europe just completely fucking asleep? You can play China and US off against each other, then the US will think twice when their supposed allies run to their enemies.
Europe is divided and conquered, even though it looks like a single entity, US can buy some politicians in some parts of the EU and they would go against any resolution against US.
You can't win a battle when you have 20 generals and require the force of 20 in the way, when each has its own agenda and incentives and some of them are easy to buy
How does kompromat even work nowadays with the rise of generative AI? If any bad pictures or videos about you surface, you could just say "that's AI" and shrug it off.
Who even needs generative AI for that? With Trump-esque lies he just has to say it's FAKE NEWS by VERY BAD people and it just kind of....goes away. True or not.
I think the Netaniahu case really damaged its legitimacy. Should have stayed focused on dictators from failed states really. Not a reason to dismantle it of course, it's still an important institution without an alternative
Let’s just dismantle it, it was a theatre anyway, only losers ever got there. I think keeping it around with reduced powers is worse than just totally dismantling it. Europe loves daddy a little bit too much.
Bet this will be flagged within 8 hours. The lack of "vouch" for submissions is really convenient for flag-trolls. Maybe they'll restrict my account too.
Edit: only took one hour - it's even within the editing window for this comment!
Not only did my reasonable comment in this thread get flagged (after being upvoted!). I can no longer vouch for comments. The link is there, it just doesn’t do anything. Some site huh!
This usually means your account has been shadowbanned from casting flags and vouches. You'll also find yourself limited to posting 5 comments in a row.
Yep, that’s the state my account is in. Why would they do that and why show me the option if I can’t use it now? Pretty anti-social product design.
HN carries water for the billionaire and wanna be class.
Looks like couple of Israeli terrorists and p*dophiles in the US are taking over the world, what are the ways to stop them?
What's next after ICC, start of slavery?
It never went away. See prison factories in USA, and forced labour in China.
At least, its not in the law today, imagine they make it official and being born to a slave family and being slave forever, including your kids.
Reality is more important than law and a lot of times it's already like that, just not in the law
Heard of wage slavery?
Way more than a couple.
What good did the ICC ever do?
Who even put them in place? Whose interests did they further?
Good riddance.
I wanted to say Ratko Mladić and Radovan Karadžić but after some research learned that this was in fact the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Tribuna...
> What good did the ICC ever do?
The ICC prosecutes genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, and crimes of aggression when states are unable or unwilling to do so themselves.
> Who even put them in place?
125 states are party to the Rome Statue that created the ICC.
US was already "de facto" immune from the court.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/08/03/us-hague-invasion-act-be...
This is done just to please some foreign pals.
You're right, but that linked piece isn't. Or, at least, the authors are either unaware, misinformed, or after some agenda. It's making a de jure argument. The ICC simply doesn't exist from the American perspective, because America is not a party to the treaty. The law it cites is, instead, congressional preauthorization to act if an American or an ally is captured.
The source is not without controversy in the Netherlands.
> The restrictions that would be under discussion include:
> a) granting immunity to heads of state;
> b) excluding the Court's jurisdiction over nationals of non-state parties, even when they commit crimes on the territory of a state party; and
> c) denying the Court's jurisdiction over cases covered by national legislation.
Basically, no skin in the game for the decision makers, a will to power for the foot soldiers, and a panopticon for everyone else.
This may be a hard sell as 2/3rds majority is required to bring any Rome Statue amends into force.
The future solution will tjen be that the winner in a conflict will race to nab all enemies and execute them. That will be the only way to ensure "a punishment". Interring Putin, for example, would lead to pressure from Trump an Xi, in that order, to release him. Looks like our future will be more bloody and violent as a result.
No balls. Humiliation continues.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Israel was an overreach for the court - hell, everything about Israel and international bodies is blatantly biased, if you try to take any baseline whatsoever. Africa's conflicts, Ukraine, previous wars etc. It works only if you consider Israel in a void, or in a category of its own. There were conflicts in Africa this summer that killed more people than died in all of Gaza's recent conflict, and got exactly 1% of the public indignation and UN resolutions.
International bodies are incredibly useful, but only if they avoid being used as political tools. And lately they've been delivering failure after failure. ICC, UN, WHO...
The correct solution in Israel was always UN troops. But that'd involve UN getting their hands dirty and doing something other than giving resolutions.
“ Diplomatic sources: ‘The Netherlands is negotiating the dismantling of the International Criminal Court’”
The title is wrong. Negotiating to do something is not the same as doing the thing.
Negotiating means, lets hear what you want and lets see what we can do. Which means there is a willing to listen.
Would you listen someone if they come to your house and start claiming it? Would you negotiate with them?
I don't get the rethorical question. I am merely pointing out the title is wrong because it says "x does y" instead of "x is considering doing y".
The number of people who have listened to a religious nut at the door, versus the number of people who have converted to that religion. Until they make a single concession, it's only a symbolic willingness to talk about it, nothing more.
You are giving an example of someone offering you something, you can take it or don't, I am giving an example of someone taking something from you.
Dismantling ICC is taking something from all of us.
I cannot imagine the pressure the US is exerting on all kinds of international systems due to temper tantrums at the top of the chain of command, but based on history and everything we see in the news it's a lot. The wise diplomatic choice would be to start up exploratory negotiations to reduce pressure (no doubt on completely unrelated systems, like cooperation in tertiary education). If talks can be dragged out for two years, maybe it'll all just go away.
Why quote Law to men who carry Swords?
Because they love their children too?
Why does every country capitulate to the US? Let them sanction the Netherlands and see how much they enjoy not having access to EUV machines…
Like, is Europe just completely fucking asleep? You can play China and US off against each other, then the US will think twice when their supposed allies run to their enemies.
Europe is divided and conquered, even though it looks like a single entity, US can buy some politicians in some parts of the EU and they would go against any resolution against US.
You can't win a battle when you have 20 generals and require the force of 20 in the way, when each has its own agenda and incentives and some of them are easy to buy
My first thought is that it's because every country that doesn't capitulate to the US gets invaded by the US and destroyed. See Venezuela.
so much for principles huh
I wonder what Israel has on Trump to make him dance like their puppet. It‘s embarassing and ridiculous.
Almost the entire US political system?
Watch them vote for their uniparty again. They never learn.
Epstein files and video tapes?
How does kompromat even work nowadays with the rise of generative AI? If any bad pictures or videos about you surface, you could just say "that's AI" and shrug it off.
Who even needs generative AI for that? With Trump-esque lies he just has to say it's FAKE NEWS by VERY BAD people and it just kind of....goes away. True or not.
I think the Netaniahu case really damaged its legitimacy. Should have stayed focused on dictators from failed states really. Not a reason to dismantle it of course, it's still an important institution without an alternative
Let’s just dismantle it, it was a theatre anyway, only losers ever got there. I think keeping it around with reduced powers is worse than just totally dismantling it. Europe loves daddy a little bit too much.
Agreed, no justice at all is better than the illusion of justice.