Yes, I think that's a better title (that I failed to think of when thinking about posting the statement here on HN). Unfortunately, I missed the submission editing time window.
They're talking about Kagi using Yandex as one source of results. For some reason they're just completely outraged about indirectly helping an unrelated company in a country that has one war, but directly helping a defense contractor company in a country that has 20 wars is perfectly okay. As far as I can tell, these people are just concern trolling, maybe paid by Google. They come out every single time Kagi is mentioned on HN.
It is a common reflex to assume paid or synthetic/bot actors whenever outrage seems hard to explain. But I think unreasonable purity standards in small tech companies are a recognizable (edit: human!) pattern.
Many people have probably given up on making moral demands towards big tech, which are mostly futile. It might therefore feel much more relieving to redirect moral demands towards smaller tech brands, especially those with some version of a good-guy brand aspiration.
This happens a lot with Kagi, Mullvad, Proton, Signal, Firefox, Fairphone, etc.
The substance behind the outrage might even be factually correct. But the idea that the inability to answer to impossible standards should define small tech brands is probably just a compensating effect of the general disenfranchisement many big tech users feel.
The hardware to support a full tax index would be affordable for most Americans. The custom software you would need is probably achievable with a couple hundred dollars of tokens.
As a comment, it feels like the majors have deployed both the victim (search) and the weapon attacking it (ai systems) and now find like all footguns, it has unforseen effects.
"We" are side issues in this. Our channels to state what we want of search and ai are highly constrained and mostly ignored.
We are however why there is any revenue in this overall system. It's because we use it, they can monetize it, and I think this may become important to Google search KPIs and google AI KPIs
I've been given the 'there is sus activity from your IP' so often now I gave up using google months ago. Login req is crazy though maybe you persisted so much they forced you to sign up where I simply gave up. I can no longer access Research Gate papers either I get the same bullshit 'weird activity from your IP plz login'
Either there is a AI agent tsunami of shitbots or they saw that x/instagram/reddit all now req logins so some 'growth engineer' at Google said hey about we force everyone to login
will be their end, because duckduckgo and brave (search, not browser) are better already. this will push people to figure it out.
i now search videos on tiktok instead of YouTube. it's the de facto youtube mirror, which Google never allowed archive.org to be. (albeit, you have to watch it in 3 parts)
Please change your title to something less declarative like
Ask HN: have you encountered increased login-required for Google search results?
Yes, I think that's a better title (that I failed to think of when thinking about posting the statement here on HN). Unfortunately, I missed the submission editing time window.
I’ve been so very happy with Kagi. I also let my agents use it via API, and it helps them surface a lot of stuff they don’t find without it.
How'd you give it to your agent? MCP or cli tool or something?
are there any alternatives to Kagi that don't support the Russian war economy?
Do you have more info on this?
Seems that Kagi buying data from multiple search providers, including Yandex.
They're talking about Kagi using Yandex as one source of results. For some reason they're just completely outraged about indirectly helping an unrelated company in a country that has one war, but directly helping a defense contractor company in a country that has 20 wars is perfectly okay. As far as I can tell, these people are just concern trolling, maybe paid by Google. They come out every single time Kagi is mentioned on HN.
It is a common reflex to assume paid or synthetic/bot actors whenever outrage seems hard to explain. But I think unreasonable purity standards in small tech companies are a recognizable (edit: human!) pattern.
Many people have probably given up on making moral demands towards big tech, which are mostly futile. It might therefore feel much more relieving to redirect moral demands towards smaller tech brands, especially those with some version of a good-guy brand aspiration.
This happens a lot with Kagi, Mullvad, Proton, Signal, Firefox, Fairphone, etc.
The substance behind the outrage might even be factually correct. But the idea that the inability to answer to impossible standards should define small tech brands is probably just a compensating effect of the general disenfranchisement many big tech users feel.
The hardware to support a full tax index would be affordable for most Americans. The custom software you would need is probably achievable with a couple hundred dollars of tokens.
what is a tax index?
They already locked it behind a wall of AI and advertisements.
When connecting from questionable IPs (like VPN exit addresses) Google has been very paranoid for a long time, I don't try.
Unfortunately, the prevalence of scrapers means that anything that could be a scraper is presumed to be so.
As a comment, it feels like the majors have deployed both the victim (search) and the weapon attacking it (ai systems) and now find like all footguns, it has unforseen effects.
"We" are side issues in this. Our channels to state what we want of search and ai are highly constrained and mostly ignored.
We are however why there is any revenue in this overall system. It's because we use it, they can monetize it, and I think this may become important to Google search KPIs and google AI KPIs
I've been given the 'there is sus activity from your IP' so often now I gave up using google months ago. Login req is crazy though maybe you persisted so much they forced you to sign up where I simply gave up. I can no longer access Research Gate papers either I get the same bullshit 'weird activity from your IP plz login'
Either there is a AI agent tsunami of shitbots or they saw that x/instagram/reddit all now req logins so some 'growth engineer' at Google said hey about we force everyone to login
May as well just use Kagi
time to switch
will be their end, because duckduckgo and brave (search, not browser) are better already. this will push people to figure it out.
i now search videos on tiktok instead of YouTube. it's the de facto youtube mirror, which Google never allowed archive.org to be. (albeit, you have to watch it in 3 parts)